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Bulls v Reds, Rd 9 Sunday 12 April 2015

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Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
First 40: Ugh.
Second 40: yay, ugh, yay, wtf?!, c'mon boys! Ugh.

Front row, both starting and reserves went well.
Both hookers were solid.
Locks ok to good. Great to see Simmons back.
Gill - fantastic
Browning was Schatz-esque but carried a little better.
Thomson - I think it was one of his poorer games.
Genia had a mixed bag. I loved his snipes and runs but his kicking was pretty poor.
Frisby tried hard and all things considered went ok as a player but not as a 10.
Ant tried hard but how the fuck he starts over Taps is beyond me. Every minute Taps has been given this season he has shown he is miles ahead of Ant.
Kerevi was great with what he had.
Turner was solid - fuck me I wish we had a kicker tonight but. Some more scoreboard pressure would've been good. Ours core was going up in 5's, theirs in 7's.
Feauai-Sautia was ok in patches but mostly not. Slow and lazy at times.
Hunt had a mixed bag. Some really poor options that cost us points but some great touches too. Trying a bit too hard for mine.

The third 1/4 was where it was at. If we played all our footy like that I would be much happier. Players in motion and working hard off the ball to run lines or run support. Quick pill and scrum half had options in motion with support runners deeper.
But anyway, glad I didn't get up early I as sleep wouldn't come easily after watching that one.

Pretty disappointed in some of the officiating. Dean Greyling elbowing S Fainga'a in the face going unnoticed was poor. Gill was flipped over with the ball in much the same scenario as he did to White and it went unnoticed. The try that was awarded to the prop that crawled over the line I thought was a closer call than Peyper made it out to be and the TMO when asked if the grounding was ok, said yes without hesitation when clearly to me at least, it was far from clear. That try was nothing like Genia's. Genia fumbling the ball but catching it cleanly eventually being deemed to have carried the ball in to touch was odd but I will admit to not knowing how that works and just a bunch of other small crap that annoyed me like kicks out on the full when the kicker had stepped out of the 22 during the kick etc.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Realism.

Anyway Serfontein was still injured as was Matfield.

Strauss and Pollard were rested as per agreement with SARU. This would have been a direct call from Heyneke Meyer asking for last week and this week to rest these guys.

If the Reds were top of the log it would have been a different story though.
Good thing for SA rugby. The teams actually perform well and if you look at Jesse Kriel & (Pollard grey hair twin broer) we also look like unearth some prime youngsters.

Brutes played well and never look like losing this match.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
Here all. Have a look at these stats and riddle me this. How were we not even in this game, let alone how do we get pumped in the manner with which we did!

STATS: (Reds/Bulls)
Possession. 64%/36%
Territory. 67%/33%
Clean breaks. 11/9
Defenders beaten. 28/12
Offloads. 9/4
Own rucks won 97.2%/91.7%
Own mauls won 100%/100%
Tackle success 87%/85%

I know stats only paint part of the picture but fuck me, with numbers like that we should look a lot better than we did!
 

The Red Baron

Chilla Wilson (44)
Here all. Have a look at these stats and riddle me this. How were we not even in this game, let alone how do we get pumped in the manner with which we did!

STATS: (Reds/Bulls)
Possession. 64%/36%
Territory. 67%/33%
Clean breaks. 11/9
Defenders beaten. 28/12
Offloads. 9/4
Own rucks won 97.2%/91.7%
Own mauls won 100%/100%
Tackle success 87%/85%

I know stats only paint part of the picture but fuck me, with numbers like that we should look a lot better than we did!

That tells me the Reds don't know what to do with the ball when they have it. I wonder how many defenders were beaten in tight, and how many in the loose?
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
That tells me the Reds don't know what to do with the ball when they have it. I wonder how many defenders were beaten in tight, and how many in the loose?
Yeah that would be interesting but if it helps paint the picture from my calcs the back line tackle success rate was 79% (49 made 13 missed) and the forwards was 90% (88 made and 10 missed).

EDIT: just to clarify in case it isn't obvious, those a the Bulls tackle success stats.
 

gel

Ken Catchpole (46)
Is it possible that RG is one of these "coach by the numbers" sort of guys?

I.E. Thinks that if you have greater than x number of line breaks and less than y number of tackles missed etc etc then you should win the match because these are the numbers that the All Blacks (or insert successful team of preference) get when they win games?

That is backwards, if he is.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
Is it possible that RG is one of these "coach by the numbers" sort of guys?

I.E. Thinks that if you have greater than x number of line breaks and less than y number of tackles missed etc etc then you should win the match because these are the numbers that the All Blacks (or insert successful team of preference) get when they win games?

That is backwards, if he is.

He probably saw Moneyball and was a born again coach.
 
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Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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The Reds held the ball for long periods of time but never looked like scoring. They are great at recycling their own ball but not so good at scoring off it.
 

biggsy

Chilla Wilson (44)
20% of the Bulls 36% of possession was given to them by the Reds and that's all the Bulls needed for a win. Reds kept kicking the ball back to them and into them and they came away with points
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Here all. Have a look at these stats and riddle me this. How were we not even in this game, let alone how do we get pumped in the manner with which we did!

STATS: (Reds/Bulls)
Possession. 64%/36%
Territory. 67%/33%
Clean breaks. 11/9
Defenders beaten. 28/12
Offloads. 9/4
Own rucks won 97.2%/91.7%
Own mauls won 100%/100%
Tackle success 87%/85%

I know stats only paint part of the picture but fuck me, with numbers like that we should look a lot better than we did!
Don't look at stats to much, Hickey /Foley will tell you they win the game the score board is an error in the stats. How did they play apart from statistics that is what I ask in addition to the numbers. The Tahs for instance had similar stats, but add in a couple more for a better understanding, turnovers/handling errors and gain line success. Couple that with the one dimensional play that numbers can't show you and you get a true idea of how woefully poor they were.

I've only seen the hi/low lights of the match and that doesn't give a good idea, we're they as poor as the Tahs?
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
The Reds held the ball for long periods of time but never looked like scoring. They are great at recycling their own ball but not so good at scoring off it.
Sounds like the Force and Brumbies and Tahs. In the Force game I think there was one series of play the Force had 19 phases and went side to side whilst advancing a total of 5 metres.

We need to ban our players from watching league, the concept of a one man hit up receiving the ball static has infested their thinking. Somebody needs to remind them they don't have 10 metres to get a run up. Where has the mythical Australian rugby smarts gone?
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
Staff member
I have pinpointed the precise moment I wanted to break the TV.

32 minutes and 30 seconds into the first half. Reds have lineout 5m out from scoring. Then hold the ball for 11 phases while retreating to the 40m line before turning it over and Hougaard sprints away to score up the other end for them. That right there, is not "Super Rugby" standard.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video?v=bul-v-red-full-match-replay_1227300402519&vc=235
They completely lost there shape in the final 10 (?) minutes of the first half. I was wondering if it was fitness or inexperience or altitude or all three. But it was shit and you could see that they were going to let points in.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
Staff member
On the same point. What's the deal with:
lineout
shit ruck ball
shit ruck ball
shit ruck ball
shit ruck ball
shit ruck ball
Oh well lets shovel it to the backs anyway.

Did Frisby call it or did Genia think the forwards weren't going to speed things up and we should try something else?
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
They completely lost there shape in the final 10 (?) minutes of the first half. I was wondering if it was fitness or inexperience or altitude or all three. But it was shit and you could see that they were going to let points in.

That was one of three moments that were real back breakers for me, but that being the last of the three was the one that did it. Their first try from Hunt's grubber, their second try (Spies) was as soft as they come and then that one.
In a game where it ended up being 6 tries to 4, we pretty much handed them 3 tries which makes our very dominant stats make more sense. When they got the ball they turned it into points.

Oh and the 25% kick success from Turner hurt us too. Not blaming Turner at all, just saying it hurt us when Potgeiter was nailing them.
 

Dewald Nel

Cyril Towers (30)
That's surely a sign of overconfidence against a team that can still make the finals! ;)


You make it sound like the Bulls were over-confident, while all locals know that it's just retarded Mark Keohane's stupid website article headlines - I don't even have to visit his website to know that.

Bulls did nothing wrong here, except play kinda shitty on Saturday.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
No they probably didn't but when your team aint travelling well and the opposition chooses to rest their big guns then it stings a bit so the reaction from Reds fans is probably to be expected. I wouldn't take that as them having a go at the Bulls but.
 
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