Bulls v Reds, Rd 9 Sunday 12 April 2015

[Tomikin]

Reds get it back.. then go across field, for Hunt to throw it into the crowd on the other side .. Bulls Lineout

 

[Tangawizi]

All over in Pretoria. 43-22.

Match opened up a lot more in 2nd half. Sadly Reds were really only in it for a couple minutes after Frisby's try.

 

[Tomikin]

and that's the Ball game, 43 - 22, Reds did score 4 tries but where never really in it. Second half they scored some points but too many missed tackles too many non tackles.. Seemed to get into good positions before wasting it.

Sami, Frisby where good on attack, scrum strong most of the time except when they needed it to be god that's a coach killer... Lineout was a mess..

 

[RedsHappy]

At least the Reds scored 4 tries.........small mercies but something as our average Points For per game has been appalling, worst in the comp by far IIRC.

 

[Tangawizi]

Reds stay bottom despite the BP and with our For & Against will need a win to get off it.

4 Aus sides in bottom 6 isn't a good look.

Simmons looked well short on fitness tonight. Hopefully better for it next week. And maybe JOC (James O'Connor) back then too.

Hope Cheetahs are jet lagged or something next weekend. Reds need all help they can get.

 

[Ruggo]

Reds boys really put in and I am proud of that.

Genia looked sharper but he must deliver the ball straight from the ruck rather than run sideways. He is taking time and space from Frisby when the bloke is already in the deep end in a position not familiar.

We don't look threatening in attackand make no territory with ball in hand. Very worrying how they got bitched backwards by the Bulls all night. Easy to pick off one out runner shit again.

I feel for Frisby as he has shitloads of talent but it is like he is forced to play with one hand tied behind his back. We simply don't earn the right to go wide.

Once again we were tactically inept and our physical conditioning makes us look like boys amongst men.

 

[Ash]

Probably won't (new job and all) but does tues or Thursday arvo at 2:30 help?

Nope, will be working.

Used to be replayed Sunday morning, now with 5 sports channels Foxtel can't even fit it in. League, golf, surfing, ice hockey, EPL replays, some random WTA tennis event, and NASCAR all on instead.

 

[Wilson]

Thought Gill had another excellent game. Frisby was also improved, though still not a 10. It looked like he and Genia were swapping between 9 and 10 a bit and that might have helped him out. Simmons was rusty but I thought he did well in the tight, hopefully will keep on the up as he gets a few more games under his belt.

Game plan is still more or less fucked, no guile in attack or bodies in motion. For all our multi-phase attack we mostly scored tries off of set piece and broken play, when ever we tried to build anything we went nowhere.

 

[Sully]

Review is up

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/?p=79543

 

[gel]

Thanks for those inputs!

I think the 3/10 was actually a bit harsh. His net position for the match was definietly a minus - he did a couple of shitty grubbers in the first half one of which ended up gifting the opposition a try, but once he figured out they weren't working he stopped and started to run with the ball instead. he offloaded well to kerevi a couple of times and continued to inject himself into the attack. If kerevi had have offloaded to him around the 55minute mark, he would have scored under the posts and everyone outside of the ACT would have said he played ok.

He was playing fullback and if your team is on the wrong side of 43 points, then you are going to look defensively poor (as is the rest of the team obviously).

I have seen a lot of fullbacks go completely missing in scorelines like that - and Hunt didn't.

Remember this: it is his third game (not even in a row). Izzy was shite for his first few games with patches of OK'ness mixed in. He is re-learning the game in a dreadful, losing team. He is being coached by two (possibly three) complete and utter imbeciles so utterly out of their depth that they don't even KNOW that they are out of their depth. Ergo: he went OK given the unbelievable retarding forces in play.

I think the 4 or 5 was probably a bterr indication of how he went.

 

[gel]

Liam Gill had another really good game I thought. Genia needs to stop the box kicking - he is just really bad at them most of the time and his good ones do not balnace out the really bad ones in between.

Good to see us get some tries on the board at last. It's a shame it seems to only come in fits and starts.

WTF is with no one lining up to take the ball. Flat footed, no pods, no structure, we lost something like 40 metres when we were in posession ffs.

I have no idea what the coaching staff (and it is ALL four of them that are the problem - sure the scrums and lineouts are Ok, but the rest of the forwards work is severely below par) are doing or saying to the players, but the players are not responding to it.

Simmons played well.

 

[Sully]

The out of hand kicking and the inability to make the gain line i really hurt the Reds this game. The runners are either standing still or not accelerating into contact and we are losing metres constantly. Waiting for fast ball to come from one out runs isn't working. Slow ball after slow ball until the ball is by the backs in horrible condition. The pick and go system and the one out runners for the Reds isn't working and something must change in their set up must change.

I'm a Ant Fainga'a fan but I can't see how can continue to start over Ben Tapuai.

I can't see how Chris F-Sautia is starting ahead of Kuridrani.

@Gel I can't remember a poor box kick from Genia tonight. I can remember a lot of bad kicks from other players though. What percentage of our kicks found grass tonight?

 

[gel]

@Gel I can't remember a poor box kick from Genia tonight. I can remember a lot of bad kicks from other players though. What percentage of our kicks found grass tonight?

Yes, there were a lot of kicks that didn't find grass and others that were poorly chased. I am not certain if the reds are actually practicing them (or anything at all, to be honest).

RE the box kick - I am struggling to recall it now, but I seem to recall the one that went dead in goal. Straight off the boot, it never looked like it was ever going to do anything other than go dead in goal.

I might have brain fade though.

 

[Tomikin]

I think the 3/10 was actually a bit harsh. His net position for the match was definietly a minus - he did a couple of shitty grubbers in the first half one of which ended up gifting the opposition a try, but once he figured out they weren't working he stopped and started to run with the ball instead. he offloaded well to kerevi a couple of times and continued to inject himself into the attack. If kerevi had have offloaded to him around the 55minute mark, he would have scored under the posts and everyone outside of the ACT would have said he played ok.

He was playing fullback and if your team is on the wrong side of 43 points, then you are going to look defensively poor (as is the rest of the team obviously).

I have seen a lot of fullbacks go completely missing in scorelines like that - and Hunt didn't.

Remember this: it is his third game (not even in a row). Izzy was shite for his first few games with patches of OK'ness mixed in. He is re-learning the game in a dreadful, losing team. He is being coached by two (possibly three) complete and utter imbeciles so utterly out of their depth that they don't even KNOW that they are out of their depth. Ergo: he went OK given the unbelievable retarding forces in play.

I think the 4 or 5 was probably a bterr indication of how he went.

Ok maybe a little harsh, but he put in the shitty grubbers, and he also went missing on the up and unders that went for tries. I think I counted twice where he throw the ball into the stand and shovelling the ball along the line isn't 'putting someone in space'.

Fuck off I live in Queensland so it's not an ACT thing as I think most of the other posters wouldnt agree with me ACT or otherwise.... When is experience in the game count towards if your shit or not... his a super rugby player and is marked the same as everyone else.. I'll give him a point 4's because he wasn't average which is a 5.

 

[Tomikin]

The out of hand kicking and the inability to make the gain line i really hurt the Reds this game. The runners are either standing still or not accelerating into contact and we are losing metres constantly. Waiting for fast ball to come from one out runs isn't working. Slow ball after slow ball until the ball is by the backs in horrible condition. The pick and go system and the one out runners for the Reds isn't working and something must change in their set up must change.

I'm a Ant Fainga'a fan but I can't see how can continue to start over Ben Tapuai.

I can't see how Chris F-Sautia is starting ahead of Kuridrani.

@Gel I can't remember a poor box kick from Genia tonight. I can remember a lot of bad kicks from other players though. What percentage of our kicks found grass tonight?

He boxed kicked / kicked while on attack straight through the in goal..

 

[Blue]

Some key players for the Bulls rested in Serfontein, Strauss and Pollard. Disrespect?

Realism.

Anyway Serfontein was still injured as was Matfield.

Strauss and Pollard were rested as per agreement with SARU. This would have been a direct call from Heyneke Meyer asking for last week and this week to rest these guys.

If the Reds were top of the log it would have been a different story though.

 

[gel]

Ok maybe a little harsh, but he put in the shitty grubbers, and he also went missing on the up and unders that went for tries. I think I counted twice where he throw the ball into the stand and shovelling the ball along the line isn't 'putting someone in space'.

Fuck off I live in Queensland so it's not an ACT thing as I think most of the other posters wouldnt agree with me ACT or otherwise.. When is experience in the game count towards if your shit or not. his a super rugby player and is marked the same as everyone else.. I'll give him a point 4's because he wasn't average which is a 5.

I'll bite.

He put in one shitty grubber and one good grubber which was not well chased - there is a difference. And then he stopped doing them because they weren't working - good on him.

The bulls did not kick to him - they kicked to the wings. Is he supposed to compete with Turner for the ball?

I only counted once where he threw the ball into the stands (at the end), when it looked like Kerevi was going to run onto it and didn't - both players looked quite sheepish about that one.

Hunt put Kerevi and others through some gaps a couple of times. he also ran into space himself several times. These last two points go towards why it is important to consider experience and what is happening on the field when marking someone. I think he was showing that he is still learning the game and it is affecting how he is playing, but he is correcting himself as he goes - something that a lot of players still don't do (White's default position of kicking the ball away for example). It doesn't change his score for the match, but it should affect whether someone jumps down their throat or not. Which you did.

You gave him a 3. Not a 4. I gave him a 4 - because I said he was below average. NOW you are giving him a 4? I can't quite tell because you have a writing style that is quite confusing a lot of the time.

And finally as to the "Fuck off I live in QLD"- I really don't care where you live. You support the brumbies so from a rugby perspective - you are from the ACT. And if there is one thing that brumbie supporters do repeatedly on rugby forums is post a lot of negatives about other teams in the other teams threads. If there is negative publicity to be made about the reds or the tahs, 90% of the time it is a brumbies supporter that posts the link and makes the first comment about it. At the brumbies/reds game up here you repeatedly commented about how low the crowd numbers were - again again and again. THEY NEVER PUT THE CROWD NUMBER UP. Guess what - still way more than your own home team gets (and your team is winning FFS). I sat near some brumbies fans at the reds/brumbies game - and they politely applauded their own teams tries and had a bit of a cheer when their team made a run through a gap, but when the reds knocked the ball on or made a mistake they stood up an laughed and pointed to all the red supporters and screamed at them how shit the reds were and recorded on their phones the reds fans walking out of the stadium. I am certain that not all are like that - but I have not come across many. My most common experience with you lot is that you are gutter human beings that take delight in other peoples misery.

To paraphrase your statement: Fuck off.

 

[gel]

Also, Lachie Turner's penalty kick for touch was caught by the Bulls winger with his foot over the side line. There is no reason for that stuff to happen.

 

[Fireworks]

KHunt for mine was poor. Yes, an argument can be mounted that we should slow to criticise given that this is his first game back, he's still adapting to the game, the players around him aren't playing well etc etc the list goes on...... But to be honest I expected more from him. Hopefully he'll slowly find his feet and deliver the goods.

 

[Tomikin]

[quote uid=11026 name="Tomikin" post=731288]Ok maybe a little harsh, but he put in the shitty grubbers, and he also went missing on the up and unders that went for tries. I think I counted twice where he throw the ball into the stand and shovelling the ball along the line isn't 'putting someone in space'.

Fuck off I live in Queensland so it's not an ACT thing as I think most of the other posters wouldnt agree with me ACT or otherwise.. When is experience in the game count towards if your shit or not. his a super rugby player and is marked the same as everyone else.. I'll give him a point 4's because he wasn't average which is a 5.

I'll bite.

He put in one shitty grubber and one good grubber which was not well chased - there is a difference. And then he stopped doing them because they weren't working - good on him.

The bulls did not kick to him - they kicked to the wings. Is he supposed to compete with Turner for the ball?

I only counted once where he threw the ball into the stands (at the end), when it looked like Kerevi was going to run onto it and didn't - both players looked quite sheepish about that one.

Hunt put Kerevi and others through some gaps a couple of times. he also ran into space himself several times. These last two points go towards why it is important to consider experience and what is happening on the field when marking someone. I think he was showing that he is still learning the game and it is affecting how he is playing, but he is correcting himself as he goes - something that a lot of players still don't do (White's default position of kicking the ball away for example). It doesn't change his score for the match, but it should affect whether someone jumps down their throat or not. Which you did.

You gave him a 3. Not a 4. I gave him a 4 - because I said he was below average. NOW you are giving him a 4? I can't quite tell because you have a writing style tyhat is quite confusing a lot of the time.

And finally as to the "Fuck off I live in QLD"- I really don't care where you live. You support the brumbies so from a rugby perspective - you are from the ACT. And if there is one thing that brumbie supporters do repeatedly on rugby forums is post a lot of negatives about other teams in the other teams threads. If there is negative publicity to be made about the reds or the tahs, 90% of the time it is a brumbies supporter that posts the link and makes the first comment about it. At the brumbies/reds game up here you repeatedly commented about how low the crowd numbers were - again again and again. THEY NEVER PUT THE CROWD NUMBER UP. Guess what - still way more than your own home team gets (and your team is winning FFS). I sat near some brumbies fans at the reds/brumbies game - and they politely applauded their own teams tries and had a bit of a cheer when their team made a run through a gap, but when the reds knocked the ball on or made a mistake they stood up an laughed and pointed to all the red supporters and screamed at them how shit the reds were and recorded on their phones the reds fans walking out of the stadium. I am certain that not all are like that - but I have not come across many. My most common experience with you lot is that you are gutter human beings that take delight in other peoples misery.

To paraphrase your statement: Fuck off.[/quote]
I meant I'd give him an extra point because you made a good point.

Go back and read my comments on the crowd. I said it was on the big screen hence no link. But was later corrected that was some prize or some.

Wasn't actually having a go at the crowd at all.

Anyway I didn't mean to offend I just expect better from him.

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