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MY highlight was Timani being smashed by Fardy on half way. Fardy then won the turn over.
Brumbies vs Waratahs Super Rugby Rd11 2012
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mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
Do your remember whos feed? I'm thinking Fotu was there to stop Palu runs off the back of the scrum
shadreck
Allen Oxlade (6)
I can't remember who put the ball in but your suggestion that it was a tahs feed and thus a stop Palu ploy makes sense. Thanks.
Amazing how tight the stats were on this game and the points were so far apart. The only real differences was the extra ruck and maul turnovers the Brumbies got and the extra missed tackle the Brumbies did. (27 to 16)
Tight tight game, Barnes misses one tackle all night and it leads to a try.and
http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match16130.html
Tight tight game, Barnes misses one tackle all night and it leads to a try.and
http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match16130.html
Our lack of executing red zone opportunities has been the bane of our existence this season.
5m scrums which should be our bread and butter are being stuffed up left right and centre.
I think generally we are trying to push the scrum too far until it gets messy. We should just set a solid scrum, secure the ball at the back and then make a play.
Maybe Palu off the back, quick ruck ball with the help of at least one back, then a pass to Barnes with a flat ball to Carter.
Tom Carter on a good angle from that close should score most of the time.
5m scrums which should be our bread and butter are being stuffed up left right and centre.
I think generally we are trying to push the scrum too far until it gets messy. We should just set a solid scrum, secure the ball at the back and then make a play.
Maybe Palu off the back, quick ruck ball with the help of at least one back, then a pass to Barnes with a flat ball to Carter.
Tom Carter on a good angle from that close should score most of the time.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
The Brumbies tackle completion was only slightly better than the Tahs, but of course they made a significant amount of tackles more than the Tahs...
Yet you look at the Tahs backs and the percentage isn't so good...
They are good points you make - both regarding the use of a strong scrum, and the mode of attack near the line / in the 22. Carter's strength is that he usually makes the gain line, or just over it. From 5 out, it should be a no-brainer. Or AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). Also, the number of times they flung it to Kingston, who looks pretty light, in close traffic beggars belief. He has quick feet, and danced through a few tackles, but it's such a low percentage play - he will hardly ever make big ground there, and is a sitter to be held up or smashed. They really look like they have no organiser in attack. Each phase looks like it's concocted in a hair-brained second, and the results show it.
Another thing which could be worth trying against many teams where our scrum is stronger is to play Dennis at 8, put Rob Horne or someone at 6 and have Palu running somewhere next to Barnes.
If Barnes had options of passing to Carter or Palu from 5 metres out, it should be unstoppable. Our scrum is strong enough against pretty much every team that we should be able to still set a solid scrum with Dennis at the back and Horne at 6.
If Barnes had options of passing to Carter or Palu from 5 metres out, it should be unstoppable. Our scrum is strong enough against pretty much every team that we should be able to still set a solid scrum with Dennis at the back and Horne at 6.
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John Eales (66)
The points about the Tahs scrummaging are well made. They appeared to be trying to go the pushover and realistically it's a pretty low percentage play. Put a shunt on by all means, but get the bloody thing out and into a situation where a score is more likely.
Pushover tries are incredibly unlikely. What you do have a chance to do is win repeated penalties and then hopefully get someone yellow carded and then a penalty try.
Most of the time we stuff it up long before that happens.
I think it would be a much higher percentage play for us to try and use our strong scrum to create a solid platform to attack the line from 5m out rather than trying to score points through forcing the other side to infringe.
Most of the time we stuff it up long before that happens.
I think it would be a much higher percentage play for us to try and use our strong scrum to create a solid platform to attack the line from 5m out rather than trying to score points through forcing the other side to infringe.
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
Tahs miss Phil Waugh’s leadership, they just don't make good decisions anymore... I didn't think the Tahs scrum was that strong... and the linout was definately off...
Both teams won all their scrums.
Both teams won 2 of the others lineouts, and had 2 not straights.
So you are basing your assessment on the vibe, the beer, or some other mystical science?
"like" just isn't enough.
The Tahs scrum was solid , but what do we do? Dribble a few inches forward when a 1/4 turn locks the backrow and gives the backs a chance
I have the same issue for a rolling mauls, terrific, but what next? Suck in a few forwards, make a few yards, but what next? a bad box kick? spin it wide? or fall over eachother?
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Tony Shaw (54)
Well observed Fatprop. If you were asked to say what the score was by looking at the stats without knowing the score you would probably have predicted a Tah win by a couple of points based on the possession/run metre stats maybe. And yet it was a walkover on the scoreboard. Sometimes rugby is like that I guess, but not all that often.
Its not the first time its happened like that in Canberra for the Tahs. I remember driving home the first year I went down wondering what the hell happened to us when we played quite well and got thrashed on the scoreboard. Got done in the outside backs mainly too, if I recall correctly. Canberra is a bit of a graveyard for us, not exactly sure why, and even worse for the Reds.
Brumbies have had a good draw this year, missing out on the Crusaders and the Stormers, which is two of the best three teams. I thought they'd got the mercy draw after last year. Funny thing is I recall that I was pleased that the Tahs were missing out on the Blues and the Lions. I had the Blues down as the best NZ team with all their AB's and the Lions as the smokey for the SA conference after their good win last year in the Currie Cup. Such are the perils of predictions. Tahs will miss out this year on playing the two bottom teams - that's 8 certain points lost. I think I'd rather miss out the byes and play everyone, it would be fairer.
Still, I reckon that's the season, though mathematically we have a chance. But we are not playing with the game we need to be playing to win tough games away.
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
In the case of Saturday night, I think you mean 'stuffed up by left and right wings and centres'.
Once the ball got past Barnes it was like throwing it into a black hole-sometimes you saw it again, sometimes not.
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Stats don't show how much time the Brumbies spent in the opposition 22 and that the Tahs were pinned in their half up until around 10 mins to go. The Brumbies were quite dominant after half time for around 20-25 mins. I think they were also making the advantage line more regularly.
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
Brumbies spent 5:46 compared to 3:52 by the Tahs in the opposition 22
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
yep the Brumbies left plenty of points out there... 23 - 6 score line is flattering to the Tahs it could have been easily 37- 6
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