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Broadcast options for Australian Rugby

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
So it’s the new year, the exclusive negotiation period with Stan/Nine has expired, guess it’s official RA are going to test the water with other broadcasters now.
Unless we get an enormous financial windfall from another partner, I'll be pretty disappointed if Stan loses the rights. They're readily accessible to home viewers and (after a bit of a misstep) venues, have generally top notch broadcast quality (incl. club games), and have been willing to stump up for extra content (mid-week shows, trial game coverage, etc.).
 

Sword of Justice

Colin Windon (37)
Unless we get an enormous financial windfall from another partner, I'll be pretty disappointed if Stan loses the rights. They're readily accessible to home viewers and (after a bit of a misstep) venues, have generally top notch broadcast quality (incl. club games), and have been willing to stump up for extra content (mid-week shows, trial game coverage, etc.).
I sort of agree but I sort of don't. If a streamer has shown pedigree with live sports and they offer $1 more than Stan I think RA has to take it frankly. Very much on board with Stan doing a good job though some of the commentators are starting to grate me a bit by season end as time goes on.
 

Sword of Justice

Colin Windon (37)
It’ll be interesting to see how Fox acts on the scene without News Corp’s ownership. Surely they can’t be so dogmatically ideologically opposed to sports that they don’t broadcast? That’s gotta be a Murdoch tactic or am I being naively hopeful?
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
Given Saudi Arabia are also looking to invest in DAZN, there’s a massive geo-political issue here as well.

Especially when you consider Qatar, a geo-political rival of Saudi Arabia are looking to host a final of the Nations Chanpionship in 2028. Saudi Arabia won’t want their media vehicle advertising Qatar.

BeIN is state owned by Qatar, and already has strong stakes in rugby. So this is the unspoken factor behind some of these negotiations, which is more relevant to FIFA and Football, but has considerations for rugby also.
I agree with you but also think as soon as someones side is playing they don't give a flying fuck sadly.

The coverage of the NFL on Netflix was really good though I must say. More options the better. I fully expect Netflix to end up charging for sports. Mad if they don't and this is a free trail essentially and showing the sports leagues around the world that they can do it.
 

Dctarget

Tim Horan (67)
I've also been critical of other players' streaming apps with Stan above and beyond better. But I've been impressed with 7plus recently with the cricket. I'm sure other channels can do it well these days.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
I sort of agree but I sort of don't. If a streamer has shown pedigree with live sports and they offer $1 more than Stan I think RA has to take it frankly. Very much on board with Stan doing a good job though some of the commentators are starting to grate me a bit by season end as time goes on.
It would need to be a lot more than $1 more to justify a swap, particularly if all the offers are below the ~ $50 million it looks like we need. There's a very real cost associated with that change over to a knew platform and a risk of fan attrition as a result. The other big question with moving from Stan/Nine to another platform is going to be how you value that marketing contra and having presence in what is now the biggest (only?) Australian news media conglomerate with a heavy sports broadcasting presence.
 

Sword of Justice

Colin Windon (37)
It would need to be a lot more than $1 more to justify a swap, particularly if all the offers are below the ~ $50 million it looks like we need. There's a very real cost associated with that change over to a knew platform and a risk of fan attrition as a result. The other big question with moving from Stan/Nine to another platform is going to be how you value that marketing contra and having presence in what is now the biggest (only?) Australian news media conglomerate with a heavy sports broadcasting presence.
I’m not sure that many sports fans who are paying for Stan Sport would have difficulty switching to Kayo or Optus, and certainly not Netflix. I take your point on the news conglomerate and I also like the weekly free to air that nine offers.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
I’m not sure that many sports fans who are paying for Stan Sport would have difficulty switching to Kayo or Optus, and certainly not Netflix. I take your point on the news conglomerate and I also like the weekly free to air that nine offers.
Every time you ask people to make the jump there are those that are going to drop off. There's every opportunity to pick them back up down the track (along with new eyeballs from the platform you've moved to) but there will be a hit. More important though is the eco-system that has been built around the game - there's a lot Stan are doing to promote the game via things like socials and weekly shows. That's not to say a new partner wouldn't do those things, but it takes time to get up to the level Stan are at and there is a cost associated with that in terms of fan attention.

Added in is the quality of the broadcast product itself - Stan are doing an excellent job here, and their coverage is often held up as gold standard outside Australia. It's taken them time to get there though and any new broadcaster would take time to get there themselves. During that period you're attempting to attract and retain fans with what is effectively an inferior product (on field aside) and that brings with it a cost.

Hell, there's even simple admin costs at RA and the super sides associated with changing a bunch of day to day minutiae in who you're dealing with at a broadcast level and how those interactions are managed that will add up, particularly in the first year or so.

None of this is to say we shouldn't be considering all our options and open to switching, just that any other party is likely going to need to beat Stan by a decent margin ($1 million maybe? It's hard to tell from the outside) for us to start considering it. Probably the ideal in that circumstance would be a hefty as a signing bonus to ease that transition.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
I agree with you but also think as soon as someones side is playing they don't give a flying fuck sadly.
Until the Super Rugby finals, or Champions Cup Finals, or Crossover Finals, or the Nations Championship Finals gets hosted in Dubai/Doha/Riyadh, nobody will give a rats arse about Middle East involvement. Administration, Sponsorship, Prizemoney, Broadcast: all these are either out of sight out of mind for the overwhelming majority of fans, or the fan is aware, but that proactive acknowledgement represents such a significant burden to watching the sport/event that you'll choose to compromise.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
Other issue for Foxtel is it doesn’t have FTA..
Ratings for super rugby on FTA haven’t been great, but at least it offers a FTA presence for those that don’t have SVODS, and the 2021 GF rated 500k when it was on Nine.

and if RA go with Foxtel they’ll still need to negotiate a FTA partner for Wallabies, which in the years leading up to Nine taking over was pretty piss-poor
 

PhilClinton

Mark Loane (55)
Are Paramount/Ten still active in the market? A few months ago I heard the Paramount+ service would potentially dissolve in Australia but there seems to have been another push. I am hearing and seeing a lot more marketing for it.
 

Adam84

Rod McCall (65)
Nine may not have much of a publishing business for too much longer either, strong push to split the television and publishing businesses apart. Return to the old Nine & SMH days
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
Are Paramount/Ten still active in the market? A few months ago I heard the Paramount+ service would potentially dissolve in Australia but there seems to have been another push. I am hearing and seeing a lot more marketing for it.
Feels like a survival race amongst them all.

Environment can't sustain them all so who can hang on the longest to see others fall and we eventually end up with a few making a profit. The gambling world has been doing this for the last couple of decades. Paramount has some decent content and reach but 10 really struggle continually.
 

PhilClinton

Mark Loane (55)
It feels like we've gone back to Netflix being in a box seat in terms of streaming providers. They seemed to lose favour with a lot of people when their catalogue was being divvied up between the smaller guys over the last decade.

But now with their live sports offering and high quality self-made productions, I think they're looking like they'll outlast most of the others.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
It feels like we've gone back to Netflix being in a box seat in terms of streaming providers. They seemed to lose favour with a lot of people when their catalogue was being divvied up between the smaller guys over the last decade.

But now with their live sports offering and high quality self-made productions, I think they're looking like they'll outlast most of the others.
Are they doing any week to week sports broadcasting yet? They seem to be entirely focused on event based sport right now, which is a very different prospect from a production standpoint.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
They've kicked off weekly live broadcasting with WWE just 45min ago
Definitely looks like a move into that space then, though I'm pretty sure WWE handles the production themselves, given the nature of it. Will still be another big step to get into weekly broadcast sport, as opposed to live scripted entertainment.
 

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
Definitely looks like a move into that space then, though I'm pretty sure WWE handles the production themselves, given the nature of it. Will still be another big step to get into weekly broadcast sport, as opposed to live scripted entertainment.
Yeah absolutely - a bit apples and oranges, but if nothing else it tests both the waters and back-end infrastructure
 
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