Brisbane City - NRC Team Official Thread

[Getwithme]

I don't think we can judging the pathways effectiveness as it provides game time in a period players usually wouldn't have, furthers club players development and increases player bonds for the upcoming season. I think the question should come more on the Qld Reds squad selections more so than these selections.

Why do they value player A over player B? Obviously these decisions directly impact the squad selections as players like Mack Mason, Perese and Scott-Young all get runs over most likely more experienced and arguably better players.

 

[Braveheart81]

Why do they value player A over player B? Obviously these decisions directly impact the squad selections as players like Mack Mason, Perese and Scott-Young all get runs over most likely more experienced and arguably better players.

These guys don't get contracts because of what the Reds expect them to do in 2016 or 2017. It's because they are viewed as being important players for the future with a high ceiling on their ability that the Reds want to develop further.

It's an entirely different recruitment decision if you need the player to be Super Rugby ready in the next season because that's what you need out of that spot amongst your overall squad.

 

[TOCC]

On one hand we(rugby union) whinge about other codes poaching rugby union schoolboys and rugby not doing enough to retain them, and then on the other hand we whinge about younger players been selected in roles ahead of other players who are arguably more complete and mature players.

Reds signed Taniela Tupou straight from school, was he better then other THP's in QLD? Absolutely not, players are signed young for 2 reasons, 1 is to retain them at the club and/or lock them into contracts, and secondly to place them in a professional environment for those players to expedite their development. And, call me crazy but it seems to have achieved exactly that..

Some players won't ever reach their potential, whethere it be injury, attitude or poor coaching. There's still conjecture over the best way for a player to achieve their potential, should Australia boycott the World Rugby U20s completely and direct those players to play in club rugby instead?

 

[girtbysea]

TOCC, I agree that the 20's is an important step and we need to be as best as possible at international level and further understand why in a competitive market younger players are signed and put into programs to develop. I reckon however (in Qld) we hold 20's over and above the club system in terms of higher selection. We are heavily biased on potential.

Historically Qld has been strong when club and country rugby is strong. Both have been left to wither on the vine and I suspect that story is true across the country. The answers are not simple but ignoring club and country rugby has consequences.

 

[RugbyReg]

the Brisbane City preview is up on the main page.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/brisbane-city/

 

[Waterboyrugby]

Reds signed Taniela Tupou straight from school, was he better then other THP's in QLD? Absolutely not, players are signed young for 2 reasons, 1 is to retain them at the club and/or lock them into contracts, and secondly to place them in a professional environment for those players to expedite their development. And, call me crazy but it seems to have achieved exactly that...

 

[Luvmyrugby]

I think that's part of the issue. The lack of club rugby due to 'u20s' commitments. Guys graduate from 20s system into Super not ready, but they are given unwavering preference over club players.



I don't know why JWC experience is held in such high regard, given that Australia has bombed out early in nearly every tournament, and the players have not proven much at that level. The high regard of playing for your country is obviously there, but the so called 'experience' is not.



Super 20s again keeps these guys from playing men, and unless this is expanded to include NZ teams, it is fool's gold to suggest that this experience is going to prepare them for the massacre they get every time they play across the ditch.

exactly. Phil Gould said it commentating an NRL game last weekend. Taling about a Roosters player I think and said "hes now 24 and ready for NRL"

 

[Luvmyrugby]

TOCC, I agree that the 20's is an important step and we need to be as best as possible at international level and further understand why in a competitive market younger players are signed and put into programs to develop. I reckon however (in Qld) we hold 20's over and above the club system in terms of higher selection. We are heavily biased on potential.



Historically Qld has been strong when club and country rugby is strong. Both have been left to wither on the vine and I suspect that story is true across the country. The answers are not simple but ignoring club and country rugby has consequences.

and if your father was a Wallaby.........

 

[Luvmyrugby]

Isn't that the whole purpose of the NRC, to fix those gaps in the development pathway?



Samu Kerevi was signed by the Reds as a 19year old and played his first game for the Reds in 2014 as a 20yr, he then debut'd for Brisbane City later that year in the inaugural NRC Season. Ideally he would have earned his stripes in the NRC first, but it wasn't around when he was signed in 2013.

It is the exact purpose of the NRC, yes. Super rugby franchise cotton wool wider training squads and spending 2 years training with the U20s is not

 

[Gillys_ghost]

 

[RugbyReg]

in addition to that:

City’s overall squad has experienced some change since it was announced last week, with Reds fullback Karmichael Hunt ruled out for the remainder of the year due to his ongoing groin injury. Reds outside back Junior Laloifi is also likely to miss much of the NRC due to a hand injury. Reds Under 20s player Jayden Ngamanu and Brothers flyer Mitch Felsman have been brought into the squad as cover in the outside backs.

 

[Gillys_ghost]

Felsmans a great addition. Really sucks for Hunt, i think the NRC was good for him last year and i was keen to see him keep improving again this year.

 

[new recruit_ brisbane]

Awesome for Jayden Ngamanu!!!!!

 

[Gillys_ghost]

I think they really nailed the mix or super rugby players and Club players this year. The last two years Brisbane City has been absolutely stacked. Its refreshing to see a lot more club players rewarded

 

[RugbyReg]

The 'stacking' of Brisbane City is a bit of a furphy in my eyes.

This is the team that won the GF in 2014 and their Reds Super Rugby caps at the time:

15 Va'aulu (34 nb his last Reds game was ?? & came back through club)
14 Kuridrani (1 - off the bench in the last game of the season)
13 White (0)
12 Mullins (Kerevi injured) (0 - Kerevi had 4 games)
11 Feaunati (0)
10 McIntyre (0)
9 Frisby (26 of which only 4 were starts)
8 Schatz (65)
7 Gill (50)
6 Browning (11)
5 McDuling (5 with 0 starts)
4 Kotze (0)
3 Faagase (0)
2 Ready (0)
1 Paraka (0)

Now during the 2015 Super Rugby season McIntyre, Kotze, Faagase, Ready and Paraka all debuted for the Reds. Kotze didn't play in 2015 and Sef went to QLD Country, but most of the team stayed together and it's just that they had been rewarded for quality performances.

In saying that, it's great to see more club players get a gig.

 

[BaysideBird]

New NRC show put out by the Reds, continuing their good coverage on Social Media. One thing the QRU seem to be worlds ahead of other Unions is engagement on Facebook, Youtube, etc. If only they were that adept in the boardroom...

 

[Waterboyrugby]

The 'stacking' of Brisbane City is a bit of a furphy in my eyes.

The key to BC has been Gill, Frisby, Kerevi. Take those 3 players out and you would have vastly different results. This season will be a test of that theory

 

[RugbyReg]

The key to BC has been Gill, Frisby, Kerevi. Take those 3 players out and you would have vastly different results. This season will be a test of that theory

yep. They have been wonderful players.

Gill only played half the season in 2014 (and in fact only 3 prelim games).

As I said Kerevi had only just broken into the Reds that season and Frisby had only started for the Reds 4 times prior to that NRC.

 

[Bulldog]

The key to BC has been Gill, Frisby, Kerevi. Take those 3 players out and you would have vastly different results. This season will be a test of that theory

I really think in 2014 the title was won up front with who at the time were club players in Sef, Ready, Paraka, Faeo, etc. in the final I think the try scorers were Penalty try from a scrum, Paraka(2), Ready, Gill picked up one off a dominant 5m scrum. Junior's try down the McLean stand sideline was probably the only one by a back.

As Reg said the backline was full of guys who weren't seasoned Super Rugby players.

In 2014 the seasoned players were spread evenly across the 2 Qld sides and then the players were selected upon origin like basis except where there were a lack of depth or to give opportunity - that's why Sam Greene and Matt Brandon were selected in the QC (Quade Cooper) squads.

 

[TOCC]

Kerevi didn't play in the 2014 GF either, but he was pivotal during the season, this was the 2014 GF backline:

9 Nick Frisby*
10 Jake McIntyre*
11 Matt Feaunati – Sunnybank
12 Jack Mullins – Easts
13 Toby White – Easts
14 Chris Kuridrani*
15 Brando Va’aulu – Sunnybank

2015's team was even better IMO, Frisby, Kerevi and Hunt in the backline and Gill and Neville in the forward pack leading the way.