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Bledisloe IV 2010 Hong Kong

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Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Agreed in that they are our form backs.

We haven't got the best dividend out of AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) because coaches know he can play with excellence in whatever position he plays in; so he plays as Mr. Fixit. It's time for others to get into the fix it role and leave AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) in a position that he prefers.

He is very bloody good isn't he? I was sad when he went doen the Hume Highway to the Brumbies, but to be honest: it was better for him.

About 3 years ago I said that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was an excellent outside centre, an OK winger, but a poor fullback. Bloody hell - he ended up being the best fullback in Australia.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
If Pocock is injured come WC time I say we make a concession and get G.Smith to play for us even if he is contracted in France.

Other then that I'm perfectly happy with Hodgo playing the minor games and coming off the bench.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
If Pocock is injured come WC time I say we make a concession and get G.Smith to play for us even if he is contracted in France.

Other then that I'm perfectly happy with Hodgo playing the minor games and coming off the bench.

Smith is gone man, it's either Hodgo or Waugh for mine.

Well we can only pray that David Pocock is fit for the RWC as I'm sure the Kiwis will with Richie McCaw.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
My only gripe with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 is he needs distribute more and on occaisions he tends to run diagonally towards the sideline which invades the space of his outside man.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Reddy and Lee, agree completely. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is the best centre we currently have fit and deserves a chance to prove himself (and will get it on this tour) and KB (Kurtley Beale) is clearly our best choice at fullback. Actually, if I think about it, we appear to have the following backline positions with good solid incumbents:

9, Genia (hopefully he is fit for the EOYT and plays more like his S15 self)
10, Cooper
11, Mitchell
13, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15, Beale

So that leaves 12 and 14 as positions where we do better. Gits is the obvious incumbent at 12, but I think there is general agreement on G&GR that he's not been anywhere near his best, so Barnes for me there. The other wing spot is a conundrum and realistically, we could try any of about 4 or 5 blokes there.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Disco, Horne's problem isn't that he is too wiry its that he was hardly given the ball in those matches and when he did get the ball he made a couple of breaks which isn't bad. Players at 13 need time to settle because the defensive channels are difficult to read and when your 12 drifts across the whole time it tends to eat up your space.

Very good, though I'd warrant that Horne read everything like a comic book when there was drift from the 12, though couldn't do much about it.


It may be that Horne won't make his mark in Oz rugby because of his propensity to injury. If so, that would be a shame and not least because he has a highly developed rugby brain, an item that not enough Oz players have.


When I saw him in the U/16 tournament years ago I was gobsmacked at the way one so young could figure things out, a bit like a chess expert playing against hackers. The great Tim Horan had the same attribute on both attack and defence; so I hope that young Robbie can stay healthy for a while - and get some bloody pill.


The problems he had at the Tahs with the drifting of others in the 2010 season were those suffered by most outside centres on attack. It's not always the same reason each time and often it's a combination of deficiencies in one movement.


These include, but are not limited to: the flyhalf not questioning the tackle line enough; not challenging the inside shoulders of defenders; getting herded to touch by drift defenders (often made possible by the first two items mentioned); the 12 over-challenging the line of tackle and the ball coming back too slowly from the ensuing tackle/ruck to the first receiver who drifts under pressure and uses up the width.


Drift is also born out of delay in the despatching of good ball from the tackle/ruck or set piece, caused by things such as meerkating or excess stepping before the pass, thereby putting time pressure on the 10 and 12 which causes them to crab outwards. This also helps defenders against the poor old wide attacker waiting for the ball. Sometimes a fellow has to crab because he doesn't get the ball as he is running at pace, or the pass is at him and not in front of him - or too high or too low – all of which kills speed; so he has to crab around the defender who is in his face.


Yarda, yarda, yarda.


The Tahs made all these errors when they were playing boring ruby for most of the 2010 season and much more often than what the pedigree of the players would suggest. Sometimes they seemed to be in a race to get to the touchline. The backs should have bought the beers after the most games in 2010 as they didn't give the Tahs the return on the investment of the quality ball provided by the forwards more often than not.


By contrast the Reds backs prospered and Reds fans got a healthy dividend - and it wasn't just because of QC (Quade Cooper). Basic good rugby played its part, including a passion for accurately despatching the ball to others.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
My only gripe with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 is he needs distribute more and on occaisions he tends to run diagonally towards the sideline which invades the space of his outside man.

Actually, he's generally been the one player to continually straighten the attack in the backline... and probably one of the reasons why he doesn't pass so often - it's generally because he can't, or shouldn't...
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Mortlock was never a noted passer, but we suffered that deficiency in him because of his other attributes.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
If Pocock is injured come WC time I say we make a concession and get G.Smith to play for us even if he is contracted in France.

Other then that I'm perfectly happy with Hodgo playing the minor games and coming off the bench.

The very short term gain (which is arguable IMO) is far outweighed by the potential damaged such a precedent would set. Be in no doubt that with the Euros on offer for players like Cooper, Elsom, Fatcat, TPN, Moore etc they would all most likely leave and demand that the ARU select/consider them in Wallaby teams and have legal precedent for it.

Not to side track the thread but there has not been a player return from the NH better or even as good as when they left (except maybe Carter and he played what two games before he had the injury forced holiday). Sorry Smith is gone and if he wanted to come back to Wallabies he would have to play Super Rugby again. IMO I don't think Vickerman should be elligible either as they should have to PLAY a whole season to meet the criteria, for the same reason I was against Elsom returning in in all honesty he hasn't been a shadow of his form before he left.
 
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Smith is practically semi-retired, mentally at least....

I wouldn't bring him back, in the event Pocock is injured, then we turn to Waugh, if Waugh is injured then we turn to Hodgson or whoever the starting 7's are at the Brumbies or Reds
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Hodgson is Pocock's obvious replacement, but I wouldn't be surprises to see one of the young sevens (Hooper et al) to be given a chance if they continue to improve in the next S15
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Actually, he's generally been the one player to continually straighten the attack in the backline... and probably one of the reasons why he doesn't pass so often - it's generally because he can't, or shouldn't...

Was it my imagination or did he markedly start to pass / offload in his last game or two. May have even seen hem carry in two hands rather than tucked under his armpit like a newspaper when you're on the way to the shitter?
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Was it my imagination or did he markedly start to pass / offload in his last game or two. May have even seen hem carry in two hands rather than tucked under his armpit like a newspaper when you're on the way to the shitter?

You've been in Pomlandia too long, Gagger, it's called a dunny.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
So says Grumbles the Pie Man. Which means Davies will probably just come off the bench against Munster. ;)
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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So says Grumbles the Pie Man. Which means Davies will probably just come off the bench against Munster. ;)

Nah GG thinks Mitchell will start instead of Davies. A sensible move IMO, think throwing Davies into a Bledisloe (albeit an HK one) is a bit much considering he has just returned from a reasonably long stint on the sidelines.
 

Joe Blow

John Hipwell (52)
It wouldn't make much sense throwing Davies in at the deep end when we have Shmoo back on deck and both JOC (James O'Connor) and Turner performed very well in their last test.
Mitchell has been the stand out winger this year and it seems Deans will not go into a big test without JOC (James O'Connor).
Hynes is also available so Davies must be a fair way down the pecking order.
 
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