Bledisloe 2 - Wallabies vs All Blacks, Wellington, 27 August 2016

[I like to watch]

I don't understand where this consensus that our Piggies are the problem comes from?

Our forwards didn't have much at all to do with Haylett-Petty missing tackles, Kuridrani dropping the pill, or Foley being genuinely shithouse.

You could pin one try on Squeak for being a fat, over the hill numpty, but that's about it. You could also pin more on Squeaky for being a genuinely shit lineout thrower.

I'm not buying into this it's-all-Simmons-fault. I think you'll find these posters are the exact same posters who have been eating Foley's faeces straight from his clacker for the past 3 years, and look where it's gotten us.

The fish rots from the head. Chieka needs to change tactic and do a complete clean-out of his Teachers-Pet cupboard and get a whole new arsenal.
This means: Foley, Hooper, Moore - BENCH. If not dropped entirely. With Gits, To'omua & Horne injured, we don't have any more ball-playing options at 12. We know that Foley is terrible (a generous statement, i know) without a ball-playing 12.

If Chieka finds a magical reason to pick Foley-Hodge-Kuridrani this week, I'm taking a fucking hiatus until a new coach gets the job.

Just give me Cooper, Kerevi & Kuridrani. Kuridrani hasn't played well since Foley was installed at 10. There's simply no-one capable of throwing a face-ball to him in a gap at pace.

Our forwards aren't really the problem. We could fix our lineout and breakdowns quick smart by dropping Hooper & reinstating Fardy/ anyone else. Hooper doesn't hit rucks. For all his speed and talent playing in the wider channels, I didn't see him make one noteable run or any covering tackles on the weekend when the AIG's were scoring 48 points out wide.

FFS Take of the blue tinted glasses and see the sun cheiks. It's gold, just like the team you're coaching.

FFS
What's QC (Quade Cooper) going to do without any fucking quality ball?
What sums up the game for me last week, we get a penalty & kick go the corner.
They win our lineout, and kick a great kick under no pressure to get out of the red zone.
Fuck me they win our lineout again, and score a couple of phases later.
I could go on,but pretty much that was the flavour of the game.
Until we compete with their forwards, our backs,whoever they are,will continue to struggle big time.

 

[I like to watch]

If the ball had made it as far as Hooper he would have caught it below head height from memory.

It wasn't the only lineout we lost by being too predictable and the All Blacks being able to intercept it well in front of our jumper.

I don't think our lineout issues were due to not having enough jumping options. We were slow and predictable and executed poorly.

Our lineout was better in the second half without our first choice hooker and lineout caller/jumper. At least one of those two players has now been dropped it seems.

There is no link between a lack of options,and being predictable?

 

[cyclopath]

I don't understand where this consensus that our Piggies are the problem comes from?

Our forwards didn't have much at all to do with Haylett-Petty missing tackles, Kuridrani dropping the pill, or Foley being genuinely shithouse.

You could pin one try on Squeak for being a fat, over the hill numpty, but that's about it. You could also pin more on Squeaky for being a genuinely shit lineout thrower.

I'm not buying into this it's-all-Simmons-fault. I think you'll find these posters are the exact same posters who have been eating Foley's faeces straight from his clacker for the past 3 years, and look where it's gotten us.

The fish rots from the head. Chieka needs to change tactic and do a complete clean-out of his Teachers-Pet cupboard and get a whole new arsenal.
This means: Foley, Hooper, Moore - BENCH. If not dropped entirely. With Gits, To'omua & Horne injured, we don't have any more ball-playing options at 12. We know that Foley is terrible (a generous statement, i know) without a ball-playing 12.

If Chieka finds a magical reason to pick Foley-Hodge-Kuridrani this week, I'm taking a fucking hiatus until a new coach gets the job.

Just give me Cooper, Kerevi & Kuridrani. Kuridrani hasn't played well since Foley was installed at 10. There's simply no-one capable of throwing a face-ball to him in a gap at pace.

Our forwards aren't really the problem. We could fix our lineout and breakdowns quick smart by dropping Hooper & reinstating Fardy/ anyone else. Hooper doesn't hit rucks. For all his speed and talent playing in the wider channels, I didn't see him make one noteable run or any covering tackles on the weekend when the AIG's were scoring 48 points out wide.

FFS Take of the blue tinted glasses and see the sun cheiks. It's gold, just like the team you're coaching.

Consensus? Do you know what that means? I'd hardly say it's a consensus. But I think most people can see the forwards were an issue.
All Simmons? Who said that?
But the bolded bit is really why your post is fucking bollocks. Try arguing a point with some reason, not this sort of rubbish. It's offensive misdirection.
As for fixing the lineouts and breakdown just by bunging Fardy in - I think that's fanciful. I agree the Hooper - Pocock thing has run its course, but 1 player is not going to fix the problem.

 

[Tip]

FFS
What's QC (Quade Cooper) going to do without any fucking quality ball?
What sums up the game for me last week, we get a penalty & kick go the corner.
They win our lineout, and kick a great kick under no pressure to get out of the red zone.
Fuck me they win our lineout again, and score a couple of phases later.
I could go on,but pretty much that was the flavour of the game.
Until we compete with their forwards, our backs,whoever they are,will continue to struggle big time.

Except I addressed the lineout issue in the first two paragraphs.

Our biggest problem (points wise) was our leaky outside backs.

We're never going to compete with them in the Forwards if we play like it's the 1920's with a fucking scrum-wing. Drop Hooper and you might compete at the lineout and at the breakdown. Drop Squeaky and we'll be immediately better at both too.

You say, our forwards suck so QC (Quade Cooper) won't do anything.

I'm saying, this is the reason why our forwards suck and the way I think we could fix this.

 

[Strewthcobber]

If the ball had made it as far as Hooper he would have caught it below head height from memory.

It wasn't the only lineout we lost by being too predictable and the All Blacks being able to intercept it well in front of our jumper.

I don't think our lineout issues were due to not having enough jumping options. We were slow and predictable and executed poorly.

Our lineout was better in the second half without our first choice hooker and lineout caller/jumper. At least one of those two players has now been dropped it seems.

The worst lineout of the night was after Simmons went off - the short one in the second half where they all just slowly ambled to the front and then Mumm got beaten to the ball at 2. It was in slow motion.

1 minute before that the ABs won great ball after their 1 lifter faked on two jumpers in a row and then won unopposed at the back.

Either be quick, or use movement to deceive. It's literally schoolboy stuff.

 

[Tip]

Consensus? Do you know what that means? I'd hardly say it's a consensus. But I think most people can see the forwards were an issue.
All Simmons? Who said that?
But the bolded bit is really why your post is fucking bollocks. Try arguing a point with some reason, not this sort of rubbish. It's offensive misdirection.
As for fixing the lineouts and breakdown just by bunging Fardy in - I think that's fanciful. I agree the Hooper - Pocock thing has run its course, but 1 player is not going to fix the problem.

I wasn't just "bunging" Fardy in. I was replacing a non-jumper and our shit thrower. If you're having trouble finding the Simmons hate, I strongly suggest a re-read of the previous 25 pages.

 

[Braveheart81]

There is no link between a lack of options,and being predictable?

No, I don't think so. It wasn't that it was predictable because we were only throwing to one or two players. It was predictable because the movement of players in the lineout prior to the throw was slow and obvious and telegraphed who the throw was likely to go to too clearly.

We'd have probably been more successful having zero player movement and just throwing to a static jumper who tried to get up in the air quickly and take it at the top of their jump.

The All Blacks could roughly tell where the throw was likely going and knew that they just had to be further forward and they would win the ball unless the throw was absolutely perfect. It happened several times to several of our jumpers.

 

[cyclopath]

I wasn't just "bunging" Fardy in. I was replacing a non-jumper and our shit thrower. If you're having trouble finding the Simmons hate, I strongly suggest a re-read of the previous 25 pages.

No, you said "all Simmons" and I questioned that. And if you post bullshit like the other bit, I doubt too many will take you seriously.

 

[tragic]

No, I don't think so. It wasn't that it was predictable because we were only throwing to one or two players. It was predictable because the movement of players in the lineout prior to the throw was slow and obvious and telegraphed who the throw was likely to go to too clearly.

We'd have probably been more successful having zero player movement and just throwing to a static jumper who tried to get up in the air quickly and take it at the top of their jump.

The All Blacks could roughly tell where the throw was likely going and knew that they just had to be further forward and they would win the ball unless the throw was absolutely perfect. It happened several times to several of our jumpers.

But as I have said elsewhere that in turn relates to picking part time jumpers who don't have the skills and guile to camoflage the intended receiver.
More options and more experienced jumpers wil solve that problem.
As well as a shitload of throwing practice this week.

 

[Pedrolicus]

I can only hope the imminent release of the team puts an end to all this petty squabbling.

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[Sully]

I hat to break it to everyone but the problem is both the forwards and the backs. And definitely not one single player is to blame.

Except Foley.

What? It's a joke. Seriously

 

[Wilson]

I can only hope the imminent release of the team puts an end to all this petty squabbling.

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Can only see that happening if it is full of names like Caslick, Green and Quirk.

 

[tragic]

I can only hope the imminent release of the team puts an end to all this petty squabbling.

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Unlikely
It will just start a whole new raft of it..

 

[Braveheart81]

But as I have said elsewhere that in turn relates to picking part time jumpers who don't have the skills and guile to camoflage the intended receiver.
More options and more experienced jumpers wil solve that problem.
As well as a shitload of throwing practice this week.

I can't remember all our jumpers who lost lineouts by being picked off in front of where they were jumping, but only one of them was Hooper and the rest were our supposed lineout stars.

When you're sitting at home and can tell exactly where the throw is going to go it's a pretty sure sign that the opposition also know where it's going.

Our lineout needs to be more dynamic with more deception. If we can't achieve that then we should just throw to static jumpers and work on that execution.

The way our lineout went last Saturday we handed the ball to the All Blacks on a platter several times.

 

[chasmac]

I'm not convinced that the 1-3-3-1 spread of the forwards when we have the ball is working. Perhaps it is that the 2*3 man pods lack any firepower and lack the finesse required to be a threat. It seems that the AB defense has no problem containing both the pods and the runners coming off them. Larkham in my opinion, needs to come up with a new structure.

We looked good in the first 30 mins of the 1st test against England, until they hooked Burrell (?). Thereafter we looked toothless. The AB's bring huge defensive pressure.

 

[Viking]

I hat to break it to everyone but the problem is both the forwards and the backs. And definitely not one single player is to blame.

Except Foley.

What? It's a joke. Seriously

Exactly. One poor kick that doesn't find touch puts a shit load more pressure on forwardw given they have to re-align and defend another set of phases instead of having a much needed rest.

Or hitting 20 plus phases on the goal-line because the backline lacks creativity has got to be so draining for the forwards who need to constantly hit rucks and re-align.

I think it was Bryne who said it was actually less fatiguing defending on your goal-line for long phases then it was attacking.

The point is, it's all inter-twined. Poor forwards put pressure on backs and poor backs put pressure on forwards.

Both need fixing. Forwards probably slightly more-so.

 

[KOB1987]

I can only hope the imminent release of the team puts an end to all this petty squabbling.

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Only a win will do that. Against any side will do for now.

 

[Viking]

I'm not convinced that the 1-3-3-1 spread of the forwards when we have the ball is working. Perhaps it is that the 2*3 man pods lack any firepower and lack the finesse required to be a threat. It seems that the AB defense has no problem containing both the pods and the runners coming off them. Larkham in my opinion, needs to come up with a new structure.

Absolutely. The evidence in the amount of mis-matches in Aus forwards to NZ backs - where Baurett easily capitalised numerous times shows how poor of a structure it is.

I thought the idea of it was to avoid mis-matches. Clearly it isn't working.

 

[jollyswagman]

Except I addressed the lineout issue in the first two paragraphs.

Our biggest problem (points wise) was our leaky outside backs.

We're never going to compete with them in the Forwards if we play like it's the 1920's with a fucking scrum-wing. Drop Hooper and you might compete at the lineout and at the breakdown. Drop Squeaky and we'll be immediately better at both too.

You say, our forwards suck so QC (Quade Cooper) won't do anything.

I'm saying, this is the reason why our forwards suck and the way I think we could fix this.

Scrum wing! Pure Gold!

 

[KOB1987]

Cooper is at 10, Foley at 12