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Australian Rugby / RA

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
The solution is to hand the keys to the NRL, on 3 conditions:
1. The code played is rugby union with some rule tinkering to speed it up
2. V'landys is made redundant
3. Perth gets priority over PNG as the next team

Simple. We have a domestic professional model that works, massive community involvement, and a national team that will dominate the planet. It can happen tomorrow, just fucking do it.

This isn't as far-fetched as it sounds, the NRL have their own problems as well. I believe it is inevitable the codes will merge eventually, led largely by a concussion related decline in player numbers in both codes and a convergence of rule changes. League is on life support outside Australia and union is on it within it. The global game will remain massive.
 
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DropGoal

Larry Dwyer (12)
The solution is to hand the keys to the NRL, on 3 conditions:
1. The code played is rugby union with some rule tinkering to speed it up
2. V'landys is made redundant
3. Perth gets priority over PNG as the next team

Simple. We have a domestic professional model that works, massive community involvement, and a national team that will dominate the planet. It can happen tomorrow, just fucking do it.

This isn't as far-fetched as it sounds, the NRL have their own problems as well. I believe it is inevitable the codes will merge eventually, led largely by a concussion related decline in player numbers in both codes and a convergence of rule changes. League is on life support outside Australia and union is on it within it. The global game will remain massive.
Let NRL players be eligible for the wallabies in World Cup years… it’s the only way we’ll ever win it again
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
Some news at the coalface that may have escaped many here who despise grassroots rugby, but I think it's the culmination of a lot of behind the scenes work by RA over a great period of time.

After an 18 year drought, Shore have finally won the Sydney GPS Premiership. Upon winning the trophy they received a guard of honour led by Phil Waugh, Bill Pulver, Michael Hawker, Hamish McLennan and countless other current and former RA Board members. I'm told many a tear was shed given the work that has gone into rebuilding the program in the past few years.

The mood was somewhat dulled when they read the Wallaby scores out at the post-game afternoon tea, but thankfully the school song then kicked in and all of that negativity was gladly forgotten!
 

DropGoal

Larry Dwyer (12)
The solution is to hand the keys to the NRL, on 3 conditions:
1. The code played is rugby union with some rule tinkering to speed it up
2. V'landys is made redundant
3. Perth gets priority over PNG as the next team

Simple. We have a domestic professional model that works, massive community involvement, and a national team that will dominate the planet. It can happen tomorrow, just fucking do it.

This isn't as far-fetched as it sounds, the NRL have their own problems as well. I believe it is inevitable the codes will merge eventually, led largely by a concussion related decline in player numbers in both codes and a convergence of rule changes. League is on life support outside Australia and union is on it within it. The global game will remain massive.
I wouldn’t say league is on life support outside Australia… it’s probably growing if anything
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
It's not growing internationally. It's growing in Aus and the Pacific islands. NZ go in waves of a good year once a decade then everyone says we want a 2nd side then they dip again. 2030 we'll hear Up the Wahs again.

In the UK it's slowly shrinking and not the big retirement pay cheque anymore. Their shrinking probably equals out any growth in the Pacific even though this will impact Rugby for those nations.
 

Tomthumb

Peter Fenwicke (45)
It's not growing internationally. It's growing in Aus and the Pacific islands. NZ go in waves of a good year once a decade then everyone says we want a 2nd side then they dip again. 2030 we'll hear Up the Wahs again.

In the UK it's slowly shrinking and not the big retirement pay cheque anymore. Their shrinking probably equals out any growth in the Pacific even though this will impact Rugby for those nations.
I wouldn't even say it's growing there. Maybe in the pacific communities in Sydney & Auckland, but they aren't interested in it in the islands themselves
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
I can agree with that. Those communities definitely see more jobs in League here in Aus though.

Gonna have 600odd FT NRL players by the end of the decade with what 120 in Rugby? (In Aus of course) There are groups going to Samoa and Tonga now and signing guys to NSW and QLD Cup to test them out. Even that isn't the worst money for some and a lot better than Club Rugby.
 

DropGoal

Larry Dwyer (12)
It's not growing internationally. It's growing in Aus and the Pacific islands. NZ go in waves of a good year once a decade then everyone says we want a 2nd side then they dip again. 2030 we'll hear Up the Wahs again.

In the UK it's slowly shrinking and not the big retirement pay cheque anymore. Their shrinking probably equals out any growth in the Pacific even though this will impact Rugby for those nations.
Denial
 

Goosestep

Jim Clark (26)
The ambitious plan to play rugby league in GPS schools


NRL’s push to have elite private schools play rugby league competition​

The NRL is in talks with private school powerbrokers to bring rugby league to the sporting fields of elite NSW and Queensland private schools which have been exclusive to rugby union.
The NRL is set to deliver a hammer blow to the Wallabies’ rugby union talent factory by muscling in on the city’s prestigious GPS private school sporting competition, with rugby league boss Andrew Abdo saying “the door is more open now than it’s ever been.”

It can be revealed senior bosses at the National Rugby League have already held meetings with some of Sydney’s most elite private boys schools in an official push to introduce rugby league as a GPS sport, for the first time in over 100 years. It is a move which would shatter Wallabies fans’ hearts in the historic rugby union heartland.
NRL CEO Andrew Abdo has told The Daily Telegraph the ARL “Commission is very focused on this, and they’ve given us the task of developing a strategy to do just that, and that is, build a relationship.”

The Daily Telegraph has obtained the numbers which have opened the door for the NRL to install rugby league programs into GPS schools, and other elite independent schools, for the first time in over a century

There are almost 330 students enrolled at GPS schools that are also registered to play rugby league from junior club level through to representative pathways at NRL clubs.

Almost another 80 students who attend elite independent schools in the CAS association, like Barker College and Knox College, are also participating in rugby league.

“The door is more open now than it’s ever been,” Abdo said.

The Australian Rugby League Commission and NRL have now made it a priority to end the ostracisation of the sport in elite private schools.

Abdo said the governing body has engaged in positive talks with GPS powerbrokers and stakeholders over the introduction of rugby league programs.



We’re having really promising conversations with schools that are historically very much a rugby union schools,” Abdo said.

“The Commission is very focused on this, and they’ve given us the task of developing a strategy to do just that, and that is, build a relationship.

“Build relationships with the Department of Education, with the school principals and with the relevant school associations.”

There has been a seismic shift in attitudes at GPS schools that have had a history of discouraging its students from playing rugby league, or being contracted to NRL clubs.

Now, the injection of rugby league talent at the rugby schoolboy level is seen as beneficial to the school’s pursuit of a First XV premiership.
The timing of the GPS rugby tournament no longer clashes with the Harold Matthews (under 17’s) competition, which has eased tensions towards rugby league at elite schools.

The NRL is taking a strategic approach and has raised the possibility of running league programs outside of the winter months to ensure students won’t have to choose between the rival codes.

“We’re thinking innovatively about the product offering and having the right product for the right school.

“For example, touch football versus league, tag versus tackle.

“We’re also thinking about competitions that might not run in the traditional sense of the winter season, so that kids don’t have to choose, but rather happen perhaps a shorter period at the end of the traditional winter period where there could be an inter school competition

“The bottom line, we are focused on this and are confident we can make it happen.”

While the 15-man game is struggling at the senior level, competition at the schools level is flourishing, with the help of league talent.

The introduction of league programs into prestigious private schools would be another blow to the player development prospects of Rugby Australia.
Already, the NRL’s elite junior development pathways are a huge draw for aspiring footballers across the country once their schooling days are over.

Those pathways will only increase when the NRL eventually expands to a 20-team competition.

NRL clubs are currently able to offer six development contracts worth $80,0000 with the potential to be upgraded into the top 30 rosters, where the minimum salary is $130,000.

But Abdo believes the NRL offers more than just financial incentives over its rival code.

“It’s about opening up talent pathways,” Abdo said.

“Aspiring elite athletes want great facilities like centres of excellence, which we are helping our clubs invest in.

They want great coaching and great mentors, and they want an opportunity to showcase their skills in an elite professional environment, week in, week out. Rugby league and the NRL can provide all those things.”

Some of the NRL’s next-generation stars like Brisbane’s Cameron Bukowski (Villanova College) and Israel Leota (Ipswich Grammar), Melbourne’s Stanley Huen (Ipswich Grammar), Penrith’s Jesse and Casey McLean (Newington College) and Rooster Blake Steep (Scots College) are products of the GPS system in Sydney and Brisbane.

At the senior level, this year’s State of Origin series featured Joseph-Aukuso Sua'ali'i (The King’s School ), Angus Crichton (Scots), Cameron Murray (Newington) and Connor Watson (Knox Grammar) for NSW, and Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow (Brisbane Grammar), Jaydn Su’A (Anglican Church Grammar), Pat Carrigan (Gregory Terrace) and Lindsay Collins (Padua) for Queensland.

South Sydney skipper Cameron Murray told this masthead he would not be surprised to see even more GPS students choose an NRL pathways given the quality of development available to young talent coming through the ranks.

“The public schools rugby league system is extraordinary and the resources rugby league kids have access to at private league schools and in the NRL junior reps is really unmatched,” Murray said.

“We might see more and more kids come through GPS schools into NRL but I still think the development you get at NRL is still the top tier in junior development.

NRL clubs and GPS schools have developed a symbiotic relationship at the junior representative level.

Clubs receive the benefit of a player in their system who had access to a quality education and richly resourced athletic programs.

While the schools have the advantage of a player that is also receiving elite skills coaching and physical conditioning at NRL club land.

“I always thought schoolboy rugby was the genuine pathway to playing union professionally, the GPS rugby programs are the highest quality. But obviously now more are also playing league.

“They are both pretty good ways or pathways to work on your craft.”


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Dan54

David Wilson (68)
NZ for starters
Mate I live in NZ, and I buggered if I can see it growing. In the Naki where I live there is no senior comp, hasn't been for about 4 years when there were I think 4 senior clubs. I like WOB from the mighty Nua, there is one senior team there, there have been 3 or 4 clubs over the years.
The Warriors are pretty popular when they have good years, but it seems to die off as soon as they drop out of finals contention.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
I actually like the idea (in theory) of NRL taking over the reigns of rugby australiaif they are committed promoting both games”

rugby could be successful alongside league if we worked out the scheduling better. Seems like the reds are playing similar times as the broncos etc

ive always liked what happens in USA with how they stagnate the games on weekends.

Friday - high school,
Saturday - collegiate,
Sunday - pro football….

They actually came to this scheduling agreement because of an anti-trust lawsuits and the tv networks. There’s no reason why rugby can’t be played Saturdays and league played Sundays… but I know it’s not happening! League and union are at war and don’t work in the best interests of one another (perhaps that can be worked on with a further commitment to channel 9 & out upcoming tv deal)
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I'm not sure what benefit there would be to league in joining forces with our code? We've been at loggerheads since the early 20th century and several times league has threatened to wipe out union in this country. They've always hated us and the feeling is 100% mutual (well it is from me anyway).
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm not sure what benefit there would be to league in joining forces with our code? We've been at loggerheads since the early 20th century and several times league has threatened to wipe out union in this country. They've always hated us and the feeling is 100% mutual (well it is from me anyway).
I like both. Seems like a dumb idea though.
 

half

Dick Tooth (41)
Some caveat's first, the bloke I was talking too owns his owns small media company [10 staff], where he carries specialised research for many Media players across a wide variety of areas, more recently has also been involved in long term trend analysis. A simple example if "A" happens today how do 1 thu 10 react, and if 'A" does not happen what how will 1 thu 10 react. He is generally across all sports, with Football and the Mariners his fav.

Background finished, I asked him were he saw Rugby today and its future. His answered was detailed and i will summarizes as best I can.

He started by saying Rugby was declining, but had stopped and was now in a holding pattern. He went on to say our National teams and Super Rugby teams need to start winning. If we do badly against SA, and do poorly in the BL tour, and fail in the WC which all kinda happens over the next 3 years then Rugby will enter a rapid decline which it may never recover from. Rugby will not disappear but its status will fall. If however we preform well in these events then we will experience a growth spurt.

Next, he said and remember his fav code is Football. He said its beyond madness, nay outright negligence for RA not to pick the best squad using players world over, given as he see's it the importance of the Wallabies winning. He said anything but the best side runs a huge risk.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
I'm not sure what benefit there would be to league in joining forces with our code? We've been at loggerheads since the early 20th century and several times league has threatened to wipe out union in this country. They've always hated us and the feeling is 100% mutual (well it is from me anyway).
Would never happen, NRL wouldn't even want to join union as suddenly they wouldn't rule the world? You know if they want to change a law etc they do it without consultation seemingly, it wouldn't work in union.
 

Ignoto

Peter Sullivan (51)
Putting the whole argument on whether GPS schools should have a league competition and how it fits (considering QLD recently changed the structure of the sports to allow Football in term 2 and Rugby in term 3 to help with field issues).

I find the whole contracting of minors at such a young age so predatory by the NRL. It's the same in football globally but I just can't see how this is a model we should allow in our society.

It allows for so much coercion and influence to potentially occur over disadvantage families (noting the child cannot enter into the contract and their parents do).

Kids especially promising stars already have too much on their plate let alone having to deal with contractual obligations. We see all too often kids burning out because of what's expected of them now and I can see this accelerating it.
 
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