Australian Rugby / RA

[Killer]

Killer implied it a few posts up.

I don't really see what the AFL can do. There are a long string of AFL games that suck because in the most part the sport doesn't translate well to a video game.

no I didn't

 

[Killer]

jeez, you blokes were probably complaining about the introduction of computers into the work space, BH for sure.
All new technology is more work in the beginning but it soon grows and pays for itself or it dies.

 

[Tex]

jeez, you blokes were probably complaining about the introduction of computers into the work space, BH for sure.
All new technology is more work in the beginning but it soon grows and pays for itself or it dies.

mate creating a rugby game for playstation is not an evolution of 'new technology'

 

[Killer]

mate creating a rugby game for playstation is not an evolution of 'new technology'

exactly, it is far far easier.
But the board cavemen don't even know what a light switch is so there is no chance of engaging an audience to watch/enjoy rugby by some digital method.

 

[Tex]

exactly, it is far far easier.
But cavemen don't even know what a light switch is so there is no chance of engaging an audience to watch/enjoy rugby by some digital method.

hold on, just so we're not misunderstanding each other!

are you referring to the streaming of rugby games online, as in, super rugby, tests and club matches via an app or website?

or

developing a digital rugby game e.g. FIFA 2018 as a means of building rugby's relevance and audience?

 

[neilc]

exactly, it is far far easier.
But the board cavemen don't even know what a light switch is so there is no chance of engaging an audience to watch/enjoy rugby by some digital method.

Pretty sure that one of the board members runs Microsoft in Australia so she might be a little bit familiar with digital technology.

 

[half]

In support of BH pertaining to the AFL have problems in developing an E-game, from Foxsport article is about 18 months old could be less.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/so...e/news-story/be2c14a5da20bb32ff9e04576a73b8e7

Tex

Want a case study on the effect of E-Games on the traditional game. US study on what the FIFA game did in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/sep/27/fifa-17-release-american-soccer-fans-mls

Overall point, RA need to be aware, be aware of these rating and do some planning, I have no idea where to start or what to do. However I do know left with no reaction will be hurtful

 

[Killer]

Pretty sure that one of the board members runs Microsoft in Australia so she might be a little bit familiar with digital technology.

yes, or used to.
The first question is where has the audience gone.
Then what can we do about it.
It will be a very slow process to get out of the hole that the board as a whole has dug for us.
I think they are more interested in the canapes than actually doing their job if we are making a judgement on outcomes.

 

[Braveheart81]

Well you must be an expert in gaming then.
I guess all those other successful games out there, with 10's of millions of daily players, are imaginary and the methods they use to engage the players can't be transferred to rugby.
We should just give up now and ignore what our potential audience is interested in.

Well, I've played more than my fair share of video games over the last 25 years.

The things that engage people are good games. Some sports translate far better to video games than others. Baseball is one of the biggest sports in the US both in terms of viewers and participation but is well down in video game sales because it never translates as well as a video game.

Cricket is a huge sport globally but the video games generally suck.

There are multiple soccer and basketball game franchises that have been concurrently successful over a long period of time because the sports both translate very well to video games.


There is easily a big enough global audience for rugby that if the games were good lots of people would buy them. That just isn't the case. There have been multiple attempts and the games range between being terrible and mediocre.

 

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Tex on your radical idea of engaging kids boarding the player base.

How about we start a computer game that shows all of rugby's skills, and all Super Rugby teams, that shows the names of all our players, of all our teams, coaches and stadiums we play at.

Think it might work.

 

[Braveheart81]

jeez, you blokes were probably complaining about the introduction of computers into the work space, BH for sure.
All new technology is more work in the beginning but it soon grows and pays for itself or it dies.

If anything I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of computers and games.

I have played enough of them including the rugby games to know that they rugby games suck whoever makes them and it would be a crazy thing for Rugby Australia to focus any attention on.

None of this is new technology. Sports video games have been huge for a long, long time.

The same sports that have translated well to video games have done so consistently over that whole time. The ones that haven't have sucked no matter which developer had a go at changing that.

Tex on your radical idea of engaging kids boarding the player base.

How about we start a computer game that shows all of rugby's skills, and all Super Rugby teams, that shows the names of all our players, of all our teams, coaches and stadiums we play at.

Think it might work.

Genuine question but do you play video games?

 

[Rugbynutter39]

seems to be working for them

Back to my point...what works for NZ does not necessarily work for other parties read: Oz and Saffas

 

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BH

Not in a long while so in relation to new games no.

 

[Slim 293]

I have played enough of them including the rugby games to know that they rugby games suck whoever makes them and it would be a crazy thing for Rugby Australia to focus any attention on.

Same....... the last one being that god awful thing the NZ developer made back in 2011 when they acquired the rights to most of the world's teams - I may have played it twice?

You don't get any bigger than EA, and even they struggled to improve on the game in all of the years they developed it.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Actually. In terms of Rugby computer games the most obvious choice is 7s.

 

[Braveheart81]

BH

Not in a long while so in relation to new games no.

I don't think we're likely to see rugby union, AFL or league make a serious play in the video game/esports market because the games all suck. I don't think it is just a case of having the desire to make a better game. The sports just don't translate well.

In soccer there is FIFA, Pro Evolution Soccer and Football Manager that are all huge franchises. They attract gaming fans who have little interest in following actual football leagues because they are good games and the sport translates very well to video games. Same applies for basketball in particular.

 

[Killer]

Same... the last one being that god awful thing the NZ developer made back in 2011 when they acquired the rights to most of the world's teams - I may have played it twice?

You don't get any bigger than EA, and even they struggled to improve on the game in all of the years they developed it.

just a comment on current levels of technology.

For example, nanotechnology knowledge is doubling every two years and clinical knowledge every 18 months. But on average human knowledge is doubling every 13 months. According to IBM, the build out of the “internet of things” will lead to the doubling of knowledge every 12 hours.Apr 19, 2013

 

[Slim 293]

Cool.

 

[Braveheart81]

just a comment on current levels of technology.

For example, nanotechnology knowledge is doubling every two years and clinical knowledge every 18 months. But on average human knowledge is doubling every 13 months. According to IBM, the build out of the “internet of things” will lead to the doubling of knowledge every 12 hours.Apr 19, 2013

I'm not really sure how that is relevant.

It's not like there are sports that translated to terrible games in the past that suddenly became excellent because of an improvement in computers.

The same sports have dominated the landscape since the beginning.

 

[Slim 293]

I don't think we're likely to see rugby union, AFL or league make a serious play in the video game/esports market because the games all suck. I don't think it is just a case of having the desire to make a better game. The sports just don't translate well.

And there isn't a big enough demand for them, which means the money isn't going to be invested in those games that goes into soccer, NBA etc.