John S
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Why would they be playing this though? Surely they'd want to be earning what they're currently on in Super Rugby - so probably playing o'seas to get anywhere near that.
Australian Rugby / RA
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Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Coverage seems a little... lacking. Don't suppose many people in Sydney (or the rest of the state) give too many fucks about Randwick, Manly or Eastwood.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
So Queanbeyan, Wests, and Vikings will all be admitted?
I assume Gungahlin as well because they won the John I Dent Cup this year?
There's going to be so many Canberra teams!
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
People in the rest of the state don't really care anyway. People will find teams. Country NSW apart from NEwcastle and the Gong dont have teams in league.
The top players would be earning that. I'd say that rugby australia would provide wallaby top ups like they do now.
Re people saying the quality wouldn't be high enough, players get plucked out of the SS every year to go play in england and france. Cause the oppotunities arent here. If you are in a position with wallaby in it, you pretty much have no luck.
LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
So then you're not even capturing the whole of the SS and QPR fanbase - in fact, you're likely to disillusion supporters of clubs who either cease to exist or get 'relegated' to a lower-tier competition.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
No it isn't. We have no crowds because both we and the competition suck a giant bag of dicks.
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
Canberra would be represented by a singular team.
John S
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Wouldn't that be every position?
EDIT - Ok I see what you're saying, if you're going for a Super Rugby spot from lower down, you've got Buckley's of getting a Super Rugby gig.
Still think that's not correct.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
So we only support rugby in the 3 or 4 suburbs of NSW that have some shitty club? Fuck that off. That's some mouth breather reasoning right there god damn.
If that actually happened id finally tap out for good.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Wait, so it's like... the NRC?
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
As I said it would be painful at first but it will have too happen. Some teams can merge, some will have to drop down into subbies which will would replace the level of SS.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
Give Canberra 2 teams. Create a local rivalry that would at least be a talking point. Big Bash Cricket did this with NSW & Vic
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
No but those are the heartlands. WHere the majority of the support and talent comes from.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
God imagine sorting this out. We are now involving RA, SRU, NSWRU & NSWSRU
Fuuuuuuuk that
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
No it isn't? They generate next to no talent at all. They are, in fact, quite bad at rugby.
The talent comes from schools. The interest is more broadly dispersed than fucken Manly and Randwick (much to the displeasure of the Mosman crew).
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
yeah no probably will never work out.
half the reason rugby is fucked in this country is because theyre a too many sperate admin entities that only look out for themselves.
noscrumnolife
Bill Watson (15)
I just find it baffling why so many people are so negative towards this idea. For years, the biggest problems identified by all the independent reviews we have commissioned have been:
- Don't play enough games
- Lose top end talent to League
- Lack of identity in the Super teams failing to mobilise fanbases
- Lack of investment in the grassroots.
A club based professional model delivers more games, is built around club identities which have been around for 100+ yrs and directly invests in the grassroots. Allowing our best players to play under the best coaches, with the best talent and access the biggest salaries overseas solves the top-end talent problem.
I am all ears for arguments against based on sound economic principles as to why it may not be feasible. But the vast majority of responses I'm hearing aren't that. It's just hand-waving whataboutism.
Again, I keep coming back to this point: if Rugby Union had not kept itself in a state of amateurism for most of its existence, club-based competition would be the model around which it was built (see: AFL & NRL).
- Don't play enough games
- Lose top end talent to League
- Lack of identity in the Super teams failing to mobilise fanbases
- Lack of investment in the grassroots.
A club based professional model delivers more games, is built around club identities which have been around for 100+ yrs and directly invests in the grassroots. Allowing our best players to play under the best coaches, with the best talent and access the biggest salaries overseas solves the top-end talent problem.
I am all ears for arguments against based on sound economic principles as to why it may not be feasible. But the vast majority of responses I'm hearing aren't that. It's just hand-waving whataboutism.
Again, I keep coming back to this point: if Rugby Union had not kept itself in a state of amateurism for most of its existence, club-based competition would be the model around which it was built (see: AFL & NRL).
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I fundamentally agree that we need a new competition but relying on the thoroughly amateur and unwatchable club game aint it.
KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Ted Thorn (20)
wow no need for the name calling mate. Thought this was forum to discuss our ideas and plans to move forward rugby in this country.
Where is rugby the most popular in this country? Which parts of the country have highest rugby participation rates?