Australian Rugby / RA

[Derpus]

Same could be said of the Wallaroos players.

Don't think that's fair. Wasn't it the cash being thrown at the WAGs which got them upset? seems reasonable to be upset about that.

 

[RugbyReg]

Payto has a good article in the SMH covering both the new model and Wallaroos.

 

[KOB1987]

Tom Hooper is from Bathhurst and made Aus schools from there, which is where the Brums identified and signed him.

I don't count that as from Canberra.

Can confirm this and schooled at Stannies but played club for Orange City - or at least his brother Lachlan did - because believe it or not Bathurst Bulldogs can’t field junior sides. Another solid reason that more attention needs to be directed at the community programs.

 

[Slim 293]

Tom Hooper is from Bathhurst and made Aus schools from there, which is where the Brums identified and signed him.

I don't count that as from Canberra.

They kinda almost did…

 

[Rob42]

Was the high performance plan the thing Rod Kafer was supposed to deliver a few years back?

I guess you wouldn't expect more from a press release but it's so fucken light on detail about how they plan to achieve any of it.

It's light on detail because RA can't mandate this, they need to bring the states along with them. So Phil, or his representative, is going to have to sit through endless meetings where each of the states comes up with a different vision, and they all go round in circles for a few months (optimistically) until they more or less agree on the least worst option.

 

[RugbyReg]

It's light on detail because Rugby Australia can't mandate this, they need to bring the states along with them. So Phil, or his representative, is going to have to sit through endless meetings where each of the states comes up with a different vision, and they all go round in circles for a few months (optimistically) until they more or less agree on the least worst option.

It's been going on for 2 years.

 

[Rob42]

It's been going on for 2 years.

Reg, haven't they been talking about centralisation for 15 years or more? Has there actually been more detailed planning going on for 2 years?

 

[Wallaby Man]

People need to remember the governance structure in Australian rugby isn’t some all powerful dictatorship. If we remember back to the Covid lockdowns, where we had a situation where the federal government didn’t actually have the power to enforce measures and the power truly resided with the states. It’s a very similar situation with Rugby Australia. Yes Rugby Australia holds some leverage over the states in terms of financial support and been the owner of the most valuable product (the wallabies) but the states actually control the player base and are in full control of all the programs they decide to roll out. Currently RA can compel the states to do very little.

 

[Derpus]

People need to remember the governance structure in Australian rugby isn’t some all powerful dictatorship. If we remember back to the Covid lockdowns, where we had a situation where the federal government didn’t actually have the power to enforce measures and the power truly resided with the states. It’s a very similar situation with Rugby Australia. Yes Rugby Australia holds some leverage over the states in terms of financial support and been the owner of the most valuable product (the wallabies) but the states actually control the player base and are in full control of all the programs they decide to roll out. Currently Rugby Australia can compel the states to do very little.

That seems to be a big part of what is being restructured. Aren't the Wallabies the only profitable facet of rugby in Australia? The financial stick seems like a pretty easy one to wield.

 

[RugbyReg]

So we now have the following props who are signed next year and are foreigners.

Now I understand Hodgman and Eloff should be eligible next year and I am not sure about the Brumby props? Meanwhile the Rebels have three Wallaby THPs.

This is why the centralisation approach is important from a Wallaby development perspective.

QLD:
- Alex Hodgman (NZL)
- Peni Ravai (FIJ)
- Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (SAM)

NSW:
- Hayden Thompson (ENG)

Brumbies:
- Sefo Kautai (NZL)
- Fred Kaihea (NZL)

Rebels:
- Cabous Eloff (SAF)

Force:
- Atu Moli (NZL)
- Wilton Rebolo (Brazil)
- Santiago Medrano (Argentina)

 

[RugbyReg]

People need to remember the governance structure in Australian rugby isn’t some all powerful dictatorship. If we remember back to the Covid lockdowns, where we had a situation where the federal government didn’t actually have the power to enforce measures and the power truly resided with the states. It’s a very similar situation with Rugby Australia. Yes Rugby Australia holds some leverage over the states in terms of financial support and been the owner of the most valuable product (the wallabies) but the states actually control the player base and are in full control of all the programs they decide to roll out. Currently Rugby Australia can compel the states to do very little.

RA hold the licenses to Super Rugby.

 

[Clawhammer]

So we now have the following props who are signed next year and are foreigners.

Now I understand Hodgman and Eloff should be eligible next year and I am not sure about the Brumby props? Meanwhile the Rebels have three Wallaby THPs.

This is why the centralisation approach is important from a Wallaby development perspective.

QLD:
- Alex Hodgman (NZL)
- Peni Ravai (FIJ)
- Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (SAM)

NSW:
- Hayden Thompson (ENG)

Brumbies:
- Sefo Kautai (NZL)
- Fred Kaihea (NZL)

Rebels:
- Cabous Eloff (SAF)

Force:
- Atu Moli (NZL)
- Wilton Rebolo (Brazil)
- Santiago Medrano (Argentina)

Kaihea went to Erindale College - he's Canberran.

 

[Slim 293]

Kaihea went to Erindale College - he's Canberran.

And yet, he plays for Queanbeyan... sickening.

 

[Adam84]

Brumbies and Waratahs are broke…

there were warning signs for Brumbies last year when they cashed out a large chunk of their long term lease to cover operating costs.

Waratahs I’d assume would be financially better off now having secured a new training and administration facility long term through government grant, surprising they’re still facing financial strain

EXCLUSIVE: Alarming reality for Australian rugby with two Super Rugby clubs 'virtually broke' — Wide World of Sports

Tim Horan believes two Australian clubs are "nearly broke" while Stephen Hoiles says the Super Rugby model is "broken" as the national body begins a "strategic reset" of the game.

apple.news

 

[SouthernX]

The brumbies and Tahs should merge

 

[Mick The Munch]

Being a one eyed rebel supporter, I find it interesting that these centralised contracts conversations are coming out now that it’s the tahs and brumbies who are in a pickle

 

[Highlander35]

Being a one eyed rebel supporter, I find it interesting that these centralised contracts conversations are coming out now that it’s the tahs and brumbies who are in a pickle

I love a great anti-establishment narrative, but we're barely 6 years on from the Force being chosen as the one to cut because they signed up for the ARUs National Oversight shenanigans. No surprise it's taken half a decade to get to this point again.

 

[RebelYell]

Being a one eyed rebel supporter, I find it interesting that these centralised contracts conversations are coming out now that it’s the tahs and brumbies who are in a pickle

I don't think our Rebs are exactly tickety boo either...

 

[qwerty51]

I’ll keep saying it until it happens. Get rid of Super Rugby and start again. Everything, from zero. Just copy the NRL/AFL. Fuck sake it ain’t hard.

 

[Sword of Justice]

I’ll keep saying it until it happens. Get rid of Super Rugby and start again. Everything, from zero. Just copy the NRL/AFL. Fuck sake it ain’t hard.

I imagine just copying the nrl would be incredibly hard from our current position but yes we obviously need to transform the model.