Australian Rugby / RA

[sidelineview]

Are you joking?
What are they going to subsidise it with?
Where and how does this arrest the decline in rugby in oz? is it envisaged we will enter a unisex Super Rugby comp?
One thing about you blokes is that you're starting to make the ARU Board look like the least worst option.

Who mentioned Super Rugby?
We're talking about grassroots and engaging more people in the game.
Females specifically.
Female sport is a growing market in Australia.
That's either a fact or it isnt.
It's simple.
Take it one step at a time and let it grow.

Growing the game and engaging a more diverse group of people in the game combats the decline.

The AFL have a big picture view of things and know what they're doing.
Their marketing machine is aggressive and successful.
Every kid who starts playing AFL is lost to rugby including private school rugby.
Chances are the Mums are lost as well.
I'd hazard a guess and say many Mums would only follow ''a man's sport'' their sons (or daughters) play.

Because girls grow into women and women have babies who grow into children who play sport, it makes sense to engage females doesnt it?

The AFL know that.

And unisex ... ???

 

[kiap]

And unisex . ???

Bit of a strawman. Might have been an attempt to follow Lee Enfield's gambit, unfortunate if so:

After all men and women are equal, so just remove gender from the current national competitions and open them up to women players.

I realise he's appealing to ridicule here – lemme give the man a little credit, otherwise he is nowhere.

But it doesn't work. If anything, the ridicule rebounds.

Anyone wondering if there was a quicker way for the ARU to cut rugby's throat … unisex is it!

 

[I like to watch]

Who mentioned Super Rugby?
We're talking about grassroots and engaging more people in the game.
Females specifically.
Female sport is a growing market in Australia.
That's either a fact or it isnt.
It's simple.
Take it one step at a time and let it grow.

Growing the game and engaging a more diverse group of people in the game combats the decline.

The AFL have a big picture view of things and know what they're doing.
Their marketing machine is aggressive and successful.
Every kid who starts playing AFL is lost to rugby including private school rugby.
Chances are the Mums are lost as well.
I'd hazard a guess and say many Mums would only follow ''a man's sport'' their sons (or daughters) play.

Because girls grow into women and women have babies who grow into children who play sport, it makes sense to engage females doesnt it?

The AFL know that.

And unisex . ???

Absolutely agree that all new participants are a positive.
I don't understand the need to make a distinction.
A new team of under 12's in Penrith has the same value as a new women's team in Rockdale.
It's absurd to suggest that the Penrith kids should pay a levy to the ARU, whilst the Rockdale women (or even just rep standard players from this team)should be receiving subsidies.

 

[kiap]

It's not absurd for rep players to get subsidies. Schoolboy teams received them for decades.

So let's not have blokes getting all hysterical with this.

No one is talking about women getting 50% of expenditure here.

It would be lucky to be a fraction of 1% for a women's XVs comp.

They'd also want to bring in some sponsors, imo.

 

[sidelineview]

Geez, some big leaps taken here.

There's obviously a distinction between attracting more females to a traditionally male dominated sport.

More boys need to be signed up as well, but if someone cant understand the long term value of attracting more females to the game, and the value of being proactive within the competitive sports market place, then it's not much point arguing the toss.

 

[mst]

I would suggest that anybody making a comment based on their current knowledge base should do so with abundant caution.

One point in particular may be worth considering carefully before you speak is around the potential revenue. You may just find right now that potentially the a women XV could be a better revenue spinner and draw-card than anything the male side of the game can currently put forward.

The adage of build it and they will come turned in to reality with the WALF. Sponsors and women wanting to play (including elite athletes) approached the WAFL, As for the crowds, they had to turn them away.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...r/news-story/f3532d0626a7ce090180bdc5aa885fcb (or Google Sponsors, TV get a bounce from women’s AFL opener)

http://www.bandt.com.au/marketing/not-simply-mirroring-mens-comp-afl-womens-marketing-guru

 

[I like to watch]

It's not absurd for rep players to get subsidies. Schoolboy teams received them for decades.

So let's not have blokes getting all hysterical with this.

No one is talking about women getting 50% of expenditure here.

It would be lucky to be a fraction of 1% for a women's XVs comp.

They'd also want to bring in some sponsors, imo.

Schoolboy teams received subsidies for decades?
Not at state level.
They didn't even organise team accomodation (at your cost) not that long ago.
They booked the flights for the team, and it seemed to me that the cost included your share of the coaches costs....

 

[kiap]

There might even be some upside to a women's national comp running at the same game day as NRC matches, in terms of FTA TV.

Broadcasters, particularly the national broadcasters, have charter requirements to fill.

 

[kiap]

Schoolboy teams received subsidies for decades?
Not at state level.
They didn't even organise team accomodation (at your cost) not that long ago.
They booked the flights for the team, and it seemed to me that the cost included your share of the coaches costs..

Have schoolboy teams received subsidies or not? Y/N ?

 

[I like to watch]

Have schoolboy teams received subsidies or not? Y/N ?

not for decades at state level.

 

[kiap]

not for decades at state level.

Clever answer

http://www.bandt.com.au/marketing/not-simply-mirroring-mens-comp-afl-womens-marketing-guru

Interesting article. Some snippets …

What was fantastic was that we were able to partner with a mix of existing AFL Partners such as NAB (the premier naming rights partner of AFLW) and also new brands that had previously not been involved with the code – Chemist Warehouse and Kellogg’s.​

​

Good 'ol NAB, eh. What if Clyne had got 'em on the line

This comes down to visibility and opportunity – young girls need to see their potential pathway to the top on TV screens, on the back of footy jumpers, in headlines and on social feeds.​

​

This is worthwhile. Rugby has to start small, obviously smaller than AFL, but it's possible to make a start.

 

[mst]

What caught my attention:

GWS Giants chairman Tony Shepherd told The Weekend Australian this week: “The corporate world has embraced the opportunity to support women’s AFL.

“We had no trouble in attracting corporate support for our new team. Katie Page approached me right at the start [Harvey Norman chief executive]. Kerrie Mather, CEO of Sydney Airport and Symon Brewis-Weston of Flexigroup also approached me and were quick to get on board. Grace Removals also quickly joined in.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Who mentioned Super Rugby?
We're talking about grassroots and engaging more people in the game.
Females specifically.
Female sport is a growing market in Australia.
That's either a fact or it isnt.
It's simple.
Take it one step at a time and let it grow.

Growing the game and engaging a more diverse group of people in the game combats the decline.

The AFL have a big picture view of things and know what they're doing.
Their marketing machine is aggressive and successful.
Every kid who starts playing AFL is lost to rugby including private school rugby.
Chances are the Mums are lost as well.
I'd hazard a guess and say many Mums would only follow ''a man's sport'' their sons (or daughters) play.

Because girls grow into women and women have babies who grow into children who play sport, it makes sense to engage females doesnt it?

The AFL know that.

And unisex . ???

The tuggers justify NRC as a bridge between amateur and professional rugby, being Super Rugby.
Lets have a female NRC.
Oh shit what is the pro rugby it leads to? Fuck there isn't one.
We haven't got the rugby resources to play male and female super rugby (because some genius decided it would be better subsidise a pro female NRC from men's rugby generally) so we better combine them to save resources - voila unisex super rugby. Shit no one else plays - wonder why.
Oh well.
You clowns deserve each other and the ARU board you've got.

 

[Slim 293]

NRC is pro rugby though........

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

The tuggers justify NRC as a bridge between amateur and professional rugby, being Super Rugby.
Lets have a female NRC.
Oh shit what is the pro rugby it leads to? Fuck there isn't one.
We haven't got the rugby resources to play male and female super rugby (because some genius decided it would be better subsidise a pro female NRC from men's rugby generally) so we better combine them to save resources - voila unisex super rugby. Shit no one else plays - wonder why.
Oh well.
You clowns deserve each other and the ARU board you've got.

Your rambling post makes no sense. Why would we need something beyond a Womens NRC? Why cannot be the pinnacle for the Womens game?

The representative structure of the Womens game isn't exactly the same as Mens.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Your rambling post makes no sense. Why would we need something beyond a Womens NRC? Why cannot be the pinnacle for the Womens game?

The representative structure of the Womens game isn't exactly the same as Mens.

There's already a higher level of women's rugby than an NRC

 

[Leo86]

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

There's already a higher level of women's rugby than an NRC

I was clearly referring to domestically.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I honestly didn't think I could be any more bemused by tbeir collective stupidity. But there you go.

 

[sidelineview]

The tuggers justify NRC as a bridge between amateur and professional rugby, being Super Rugby.
Lets have a female NRC.
Oh shit what is the pro rugby it leads to? Fuck there isn't one.
We haven't got the rugby resources to play male and female super rugby (because some genius decided it would be better subsidise a pro female NRC from men's rugby generally) so we better combine them to save resources - voila unisex super rugby. Shit no one else plays - wonder why.
Oh well.
You clowns deserve each other and the ARU board you've got.

Ok, you dont think women's rugby should be promoted because it couldn't happen and wouldn't be viable, so put a red line through engaging females in the game.

Only clowns would come up with such a dumb idea.

Got it.