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I honestly think RA trawl this forum for ideas. Probably read your complaint and asked the ABC to do the thing.

if thats the case

DONT LET NELA LEAVE!!!!!!!

 

[Brumby Runner]

No they did both - max of 3 players and they have to meet the minimum threshold of 5 years or 30 caps, so Frost can't be picked next year.

Was it ever likely anyway? Third in line at the Brumbies and at least another 4 locks playing domestically and a few more playing internationally all in front of him. Likely he will return in two or three years rated near the top of the pile.

 

[Adam84]

Watching Uelese leave the field with another injury, and seeing Billy Pollard turn in a good performance has me thinking.

A redistribution of hookers is necessary in Australia. Plenty of conjecture/contention as to how that would occur, but it’s necessary for the health of Wallaby hooker depth and competitiveness of all Aussie teams.

Brumbies can keep one of Fainga'a, Pollard or Lonergan. With the other two ‘incentivised’ to head to Queensland and Melbourne.

 

[Clubhouse coach]

Some sort of central contracting to spread the talent, Pasitoa and Fines Leleiwasa are improving with more game time with the Force. Brumbies are very good at building depth, but there is a fine line between building depth and warehousing players.

 

[Rebel man]

Some sort of central contracting to spread the talent, Pasitoa and Fines Leleiwasa are improving with more game time with the Force. Brumbies are very good at building depth, but there is a fine line between building depth and warehousing players.

But as a player why would you want to come south to the Rebels. We can never get it right. It’s only the Force’s third year back and they are a mile ahead of us

 

[wamberal]

But as a player why would you want to come south to the Rebels. We can never get it right. It’s only the Force’s third year back and they are a mile ahead of us

Melbourne has a lot going for it, but if I were a young man it would not be high on my preferred list of locations.

 

[RebelYell]

Melbourne has a lot going for it, but if I were a young man it would not be high on my preferred list of locations.

It is an absolutely cracking city. The players who've been at the Rebels have, almost to a man, all loved it. The challenges are at the Club.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

But as a player why would you want to come south to the Rebels. We can never get it right. It’s only the Force’s third year back and they are a mile ahead of us

Well commercially rebels doing well with lots of attractive deals - sponsorship, VIC govt support for bidding for wallaby events etc.

Same use to be said for tahs with crappy coaching and development which early days but looking promising under Coleman.

rebels need to fix their coaching. Foote been part of the problem for some time given under weasels and now head coach. I am not sure Foote was the answer.

 

[Joe King]

What's the Rebel's set up compared to the Storm? If I were the Rebels, that's the team I'd be looking at as a model to follow.

 

[wamberal]

What's the Rebel's set up compared to the Storm? If I were the Rebels, that's the team I'd be looking at as a model to follow.

I am just guessing, but my take would be that the Storm's success is all down to Murdoch's money, and Craig Bellamy's abilities as a Head Coach.

 

[Wilson]

League's feeder club system is a significant factor in the Storm's strength - young players coming through are concentrated into their two feeder clubs so they can really work on cohesion and focused development for them. It looks like the Rebels are already trying to copy this, building a closer relationship with Wests. I wouldn't be surprised if they're also looking for a Shute Shield partner so they can focus all their squad/development players through a club in each of the two major comps.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

League's feeder club system is a significant factor in the Storm's strength - young players coming through are concentrated into their two feeder clubs so they can really work on cohesion and focused development for them. It looks like the Rebels are already trying to copy this, building a closer relationship with Wests. I wouldn't be surprised if they're also looking for a Shute Shield partner so they can focus all their squad/development players through a club in each of the two major comps.

Wouldn't actually mind if they did do something like that in the Shute Shield.

 

[Joe King]

League's feeder club system is a significant factor in the Storm's strength - young players coming through are concentrated into their two feeder clubs so they can really work on cohesion and focused development for them. It looks like the Rebels are already trying to copy this, building a closer relationship with Wests. I wouldn't be surprised if they're also looking for a Shute Shield partner so they can focus all their squad/development players through a club in each of the two major comps.

That is so encouraging to hear what the Rebels are trying to do.

According to Gain Line Anaylitics, the Storm's particular set-up makes them measurably more stable than other teams, and they have a higher level of cohesion as a result. They're similar to the Crusaders in that way. If I were the Rebels, I'd be examining the system more so than the coach. Almost any coach would look good coaching the Storm or the Crusaders.

The Rebels are in an ideal position to build a really good system, and they have the perfect neighbour to copy.

 

[Rebel man]

That is so encouraging to hear what the Rebels are trying to do.

According to Gain Line Anaylitics, the Storm's particular set-up makes them measurably more stable than other teams, and they have a higher level of cohesion as a result. They're similar to the Crusaders in that way. If I were the Rebels, I'd be examining the system more so than the coach. Almost any coach would look good coaching the Storm or the Crusaders.

The Rebels are in an ideal position to build a really good system, and they have the perfect neighbour to copy.

Anaylitics tell you that the storm are more stable? Most other NRL clubs have a second grade side that all the boys play in. I don’t see the storm having a twos on the Sunny coast or where ever it is being a big advantage

 

[Joe King]

Anaylitics tell you that the storm are more stable? Most other NRL clubs have a second grade side that all the boys play in. I don’t see the storm having a twos on the Sunny coast or where ever it is being a big advantage

I didn't describe the Storm's set up in that simplistic way. I just got excited that the Rebels might be trying to copy them.

Their set up involves more than that.

You can read about what's involved, and how it's measured here: http://www.gainline.biz/

It's no coincidence that teams that rank higher using a metric they call Team Work Index (TWI) consistently win across multiple sporting codes.

The system behind a team is the greatest factor responsible for a teams level of cohesion using their metric.

 

[Wilson]

That is so encouraging to hear what the Rebels are trying to do.

According to Gain Line Anaylitics, the Storm's particular set-up makes them measurably more stable than other teams, and they have a higher level of cohesion as a result. They're similar to the Crusaders in that way. If I were the Rebels, I'd be examining the system more so than the coach. Almost any coach would look good coaching the Storm or the Crusaders.

The Rebels are in an ideal position to build a really good system, and they have the perfect neighbour to copy.

Probably worth taking this all with a grain of salt - this is just my observation based more on rumours from these forums and general observations than any officially stated program from the rebels.

As far as the gain line analytics reference goes, their observations are about the cohesion that has been achieved by the storm and crusaders don't mean you can just copy their systems and expect similar results. Sure there are lessons for the rebels (and anyone else for that matter) to learn from the storm, but just because they're both rugby sides operating in the same non-rugby market doesn't mean the answers will be the same. I'd argue the rebels are faced with a very different problem to what the storm are or have been.

 

[liquor box]

I have read reports in the past that the Storm are extremely professional and that the players had to report to the club and complete a 9-5 work schedule at one stage, I don't know if that is still the case but Bellamy wanted young kids earning huge money to be busy and not tempted to do stupid stuff in their spare time, I think they also breath tested every morning before work during the week.

I don't think other NRL teams are not professional but the Storm seemed to be the most professional.

 

[mst]

Watching Uelese leave the field with another injury, and seeing Billy Pollard turn in a good performance has me thinking.

A redistribution of hookers is necessary in Australia. Plenty of conjecture/contention as to how that would occur, but it’s necessary for the health of Wallaby hooker depth and competitiveness of all Aussie teams.

Brumbies can keep one of Fainga'a, Pollard or Lonergan. With the other two ‘incentivised’ to head to Queensland and Melbourne.

Loan player type arrangement like they do in soccer etc?

I like the concept as players can get minutes and bolster other sides and clubs who identify the talent can retain it and call it back. Managed well it would be a win for all parties.

 

[Joe King]

As far as the gain line analytics reference goes, their observations are about the cohesion that has been achieved by the storm and crusaders don't mean you can just copy their systems and expect similar results. Sure there are lessons for the rebels (and anyone else for that matter) to learn from the storm, but just because they're both rugby sides operating in the same non-rugby market doesn't mean the answers will be the same. I'd argue the rebels are faced with a very different problem to what the storm are or have been.

Actually, it would be great if they could just copy their system! But as you suggest, there are other factors to consider unique to the Rebels. The key is to understand the mechanism that produces cohesion and put the relevant structures in place to best support it. And of course, there are different models for doing that.

Anyway, I'm certainly no expert and there other factors making it difficult for the Rebels at the moment, with a few key players out.

 

[Pfitzy]

Loan player type arrangement like they do in soccer etc?

I like the concept as players can get minutes and bolster other sides and clubs who identify the talent can retain it and call it back. Managed well it would be a win for all parties.

And the obvious thing to do.

Which is why it is the least likely option to be taken.