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The law makes no sense to me. The head coach has to be free to choose as many overseas players as he wants, knowing that the fewer call up, better for Super Rugby

I mean for the test june against Poms if I'm the coach I would pick 4 overseas players: Kerevi, QC (Quade Cooper), Koroibete and a second row. If you call 3 or 4 players is not a big impact against Super Rugby but if you limit the ideas of your head coach, is an issue.

In this case, you are forcing your coach to leave out QC (Quade Cooper), kerevi, Koroibete or Arnold, important players for this team.

Its just something we have to deal with, we get rid of the law & it wont just be Frost & LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) heading os. We'll end up like Fiji or Argentina with our best 23 all playing over seas & wont get them back with French clubs & Japanese clubs holding them.

We need to relax the sabbatical laws if anything. Give Tate & the Lonergans 4 year deals after the RWC & let them cash in for a year.

RA dont own outright a stadium like eng & wont get a silverlake deal like nz we have to work in our own constraints

 

[Rebel man]

Its just something we have to deal with, we get rid of the law & it wont just be Frost & LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) heading os. We'll end up like Fiji or Argentina with our best 23 all playing over seas & wont get them back with French clubs & Japanese clubs holding them.

We need to relax the sabbatical laws if anything. Give Tate & the Lonergans 4 year deals after the RWC & let them cash in for a year.

RA dont own outright a stadium like eng & wont get a silverlake deal like nz we have to work in our own constraints

Aus rugby will get a PE deal, as it has been reported numerous times they are waiting for Australia to be officially selected as the 2027 World Cup host as that effects the valuation.

Seeings the US bid has been withdrawn as they have all but won the right to host the 31 World Cup and the only other bidder is Russia and well they never had a chance in the first place and after the events of this week they have ensured that they do not get the hosting rights

 

[Marce]

Aus rugby will get a PE deal

With whom?

 

[BDA]

The current Giteau Law is nonsensical.

For me there is two option for RA:
(a) reduce the Giteau Law to about 30 caps; or
(b) make a rule that says that only 3 or 4 overseas players can be named in a Wallabies 23.

I probably prefer the latter cause it still ensures that the bulk of your wallaby squad will be plying their trade in Australia.

 

[Dctarget]

The current Giteau Law is nonsensical.

For me there is two option for RA:
(a) reduce the Giteau Law to about 30 caps; or
(b) make a rule that says that only 3 or 4 overseas players can be named in a Wallabies 23.

I probably prefer the latter cause it still ensures that the bulk of your wallaby squad will be plying their trade in Australia.

That's what they just did?

 

[Derpus]

To win a world cup I think Arnold is almost the most important, Philip is a great work man but the gap between him & Arnold is just too large.

If it were to stay at 3 players here's hoping we find a 10 in the next 18 months so we can go Arnold, Marika & Kerevi. Or pull the old Nic White trick & sign Kerevi or Quade on a futures contract for a season.

I disagree. I think Arnold's importance is overstated. Has he ever been better than decent for the Wallabies? We have plenty of decent locks.

I also think lock is a position where being in camp for a significant period is necessary to get the best out of a player. Gotta be across all the systems and be able to work with your pack as a unit. This doesn't happen overnight.

We can't do without guys like Kerevi and Koroibete who would be in the conversation for a world XV and can slot in more easily.

 

[BDA]

That's what they just did?

haha. ow shit really? I haven't been following the news

 

[Derpus]

Its just something we have to deal with, we get rid of the law & it wont just be Frost & LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) heading os. We'll end up like Fiji or Argentina with our best 23 all playing over seas & wont get them back with French clubs & Japanese clubs holding them.

We need to relax the sabbatical laws if anything. Give Tate & the Lonergans 4 year deals after the RWC & let them cash in for a year.

RA dont own outright a stadium like eng & wont get a silverlake deal like nz we have to work in our own constraints

Inevitable. Money is money and people will almost always prioritise getting it over possibly playing for their country.

 

[Jamie]

Its just something we have to deal with, we get rid of the law & it wont just be Frost & LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) heading os. We'll end up like Fiji or Argentina with our best 23 all playing over seas & wont get them back with French clubs & Japanese clubs holding them.

We need to relax the sabbatical laws if anything. Give Tate & the Lonergans 4 year deals after the RWC & let them cash in for a year.

RA dont own outright a stadium like eng & wont get a silverlake deal like nz we have to work in our own constraints

10000000% Honestly, good luck to anyone that wishes to head abroad; someone else will step up.

If I was a fringe player, I would be gunning for that chance.

To put things into perspective, I grew up in South America, and always a s.....t to get players to come back for national duty; some clubs are just feeder clubs for big OS clubs.

We should probably the one thing we should have a transfer fees although we don't "own" the payers. It would be nice to have a clause in each contract with a small transfer fee that helps develop local players.

 

[Marce]

We can replace Arnold/Skelton with Rodda, Philip, Swain etc.

Are u sure??? The lack of depth in key positions has been an issue for Aussie Rugby in last years.

I remember in RWC 2015 Cheika created a balanced second row with Arnold and Simmons. Then in the GF against ABs, Douglas injured his knee jumping for the ball, he was replaced by Dean Mumm and we all know how this story ends.

You need a full strenght squad with quality back up to challenge sides like England, NZ or SA in a World Cup

 

[Marce]

To put things into perspective, I grew up in South America, and always a s.....t to get players to come back for national duty; some clubs are just feeder clubs for big OS clubs.

Where?

 

[Wilson]

Are u sure??? The lack of depth in key positions has been an issue for Aussie Rugby in last years.

I remember in RWC 2015 Cheika created a balanced second row with Arnold and Simmons. Then in the GF against ABs, Douglas injured his knee jumping for the ball, he was replaced by Dean Mumm and we all know how this story ends.

You need a full strenght squad with quality back up to challenge sides like England, NZ or SA in a World Cup

Douglas hurting his knee is definitely why the All Blacks won that final, had he been fit we would've thrashed them. It's not like they were much of team

 

[Bandar]

That's what they just did?

No they did both - max of 3 players and they have to meet the minimum threshold of 5 years or 30 caps, so Frost can't be picked next year.

 

[Marce]

Douglas hurting his knee is definitely why the All Blacks won that final, had he been fit we would've thrashed them. It's not like they were much of team

I never said that. The ABs 2015 is probably the most powerful national rugby team in Professional Era, it's just an example of how small is depth at top level in RA

 

[Braveheart81]

My take is that you are factoring in using Japanese players for the mid year tour and Rugby Championship and then European players for the Spring tour.

You then revisit the rule for the RWC where it probably makes sense to increase the number of foreign based players you can select.

 

[Lorenzo]

I'm not a fan. I think players - elites down to the very goods - will continue to go OS and before long they'll need to revisit this.

Unless RA is planning on winning powerball every year I think guys with quite finite careers looking to make as much as they can will almost all go for the pay uplift. So super will still suck . Difference is that the wobblies will too.

I used to hold the view that someone will step up but we've seen how shallow our depth is and that the difference between the best at any given position and the next two or three is stark. In this country, anyway.

I also hold the view that the most important influence to the perception of rugby in this country is a successful wallabies side, as that is the sole interaction that the overwhelming majority of the population has with the sport.

 

[Derpus]

I'm not a fan. I think players - elites down to the very goods - will continue to go OS and before long they'll need to revisit this.

Unless RA is planning on winning powerball every year I think guys with quite finite careers looking to make as much as they can will almost all go for the pay uplift. So super will still suck . Difference is that the wobblies will too.

I used to hold the view that someone will step up but we've seen how shallow our depth is and that the difference between the best at any given position and the next two or three is stark. In this country, anyway.

Any country. France aren't the same team without Ntamack and Dupont. What about NZ without Aaron Smith and Richie Mo? South Africa without their big locks?

Genuine world class players are rare and irreplaceable.

 

[Lorenzo]

I don't think it holds in NZ. Their thirds would beat us 50% of the time, at least over the last decade. And there isn't unlimited opportunities OS so NZ won't see their well run dry.

I don't follow france enough to know, but I suggest the SA/NZ seconds and thirds would absolutely crush ours. (refer Super Rugby results basically forever, at least re NZ)

 

[Braveheart81]

I'm not a fan. I think players - elites down to the very goods - will continue to go OS and before long they'll need to revisit this.

Unless RA is planning on winning powerball every year I think guys with quite finite careers looking to make as much as they can will almost all go for the pay uplift. So super will still suck . Difference is that the wobblies will too.

What's wrong with revisiting it? It's exactly what they should do.

We've seen the rule changed multiple times since it was introduced. Largely it is designed to let the coach select who they want while also not making it open slather.

It's never going to work to select the bulk of players from overseas for most test series. The international windows just don't make that feasible when we are playing against sides who won't have those same issues. You sacrifice too much preparation time.

 

[Rebel man]

With whom?

Well it hasn’t been reported, but numerous articles has stated a PE deal will be finalised after we are officially announced as the 27 World Cup hosts