Australian Rugby / RA

[Wilson]

I never said that. The ABs 2015 is probably the most powerful national team in Professional Era, it's just an example of how small is depth at top level in RA

Not a particularly good one though. Mumm being the replacement lock was a selection issue - Carter was in the Squad as an actual lock and there were a number of promising locks left at home - Luke Jones, Cadeyrn Neville, even a young Adam Coleman and Rory Arnold.

It's not to say there haven't been depth issues at lock over the years, just that the 2015 world cup final is not a good example of them.

 

[Lorenzo]

What's wrong with revisiting it? It's exactly what they should do.

We've seen the rule changed multiple times since it was introduced. Largely it is designed to let the coach select who they want while also not making it open slather.

It's never going to work to select the bulk of players from overseas for most test series. The international windows just don't make that feasible when we are playing against sides who won't have those same issues. You sacrifice too much preparation time.

What's wrong with revisiting it? Perhaps that players looking at multi year contract have absolutely no certainty about what the rules will be in a year. How should they plan around that?

Re the window - if picking the players isn't feasible then do they need the policy? If the coach does luck into 4 stars being available should he not have the option?

 

[Braveheart81]

What's wrong with revisiting it? Perhaps that players looking at multi year contract have absolutely no certainty about what the rules will be in a year. How should they plan around that?

Re the window - if picking the players isn't feasible then do they need the policy? If the coach does luck into 4 stars being available should he not have the option?

The whole idea is that you're not giving players basing themselves overseas any certainty of being selected for the Wallabies.

It's all carefully managed to try and create a balance between incentivising players to remain in Australia but also allowing the coach to select the players they want and for the Wallabies to be as strong as possible.

This is the balance they've determined makes the most sense at the moment.

 

[Braveheart81]

Not a particularly good one though. Mumm being the replacement lock was a selection issue

Mumm was good in 2015 and at the RWC.

Douglas was in excellent form and our best lock and losing him 15 minutes into the game was a huge blow.

We didn't lose the RWC Final because we didn't have Sam Carter on the bench.

 

[Marce]

Carter was in the Squad as an actual lock and there were a number of promising locks left at home - Luke Jones, Cadeyrn Neville, even a young Adam Coleman and Rory Arnold.

There are more examples, no doubts about that. Despite that, Carter was average at best. Promising and young aren't the right words for a RWC final

 

[Wilson]

Mumm was good in 2015 and at the RWC.

Douglas was in excellent form and our best lock and losing him 15 minutes into the game was a huge blow.

We didn't lose the RWC Final because we didn't have Sam Carter on the bench.

To be clear I'm not saying anyone else would have helped either and I still would've had Mumm there, just as a flanker not a lock. I was just making the point that it's not a great example of a lack of depth.

 

[Lorenzo]

The whole idea is that you're not giving players basing themselves overseas any certainty of being selected for the Wallabies.

It's all carefully managed to try and create a balance between incentivising players to remain in Australia but also allowing the coach to select the players they want and for the Wallabies to be as strong as possible.

This is the balance they've determined makes the most sense at the moment.

I understand the objective, I just happen to think they're wrong.

 

[BDA]

I don't hate the law change (it's certain more appropriate than the previous Giteau Law) although 3 players for a tournament might be a tad too limiting. I would have preferred 3 allowed in the 23 but not necessarily a cap on how many in the squad. I think it fine in the short term. I presume with the Lions series and World Cup coming up in 2025 and 2027 RA is hoping to lure some talent back here after the world cup.

really stresses the importance of ensuring guys like Tupou stay her otherwise we might be in strife.

Seems to me Cooper, Kerevi and Arnold will have those three slots locked up at least until after the world cup.

 

[Sully]

Bit of news overnight:

Regarding Australia's new selection policies, I quite like it.


Good about the five years of Super.

Also RA have appointed 3 new execs:

Drew Mitchell doesn't.

I do though.

 

[Members Section]

If we want to save a pretty penny & use it to keep Nela, maybe we should be looking about not offering Suli a contract. We have a few wingers doing relatively okay & we can always call back Marika. I know he has been riddled with hammy inj's but who knows if he will even be back in time to put a case forward for wallabies selection let alone get offered big money again.

 

[Braveheart81]

If Vunivalu can't stay healthy and make the Wallabies this year it's hard to see him being offered any contract higher than a Super Rugby one.

So far he has been a waste of money. Hopefully that can change this year.

 

[PhilClinton]

really stresses the importance of ensuring guys like Tupou stay her otherwise we might be in strife.

If we lose Tupou and other players in his tier in the next year or so, you can nearly guarantee there will be further amendments made to that new agreement, at the very least by 2026 with one eye on the home soil RWC.

That tournament will be open slather for selections regardless I think.

 

[Rebel man]

If we lose Tupou and other players in his tier in the next year or so, you can nearly guarantee there will be further amendments made to that new agreement, at the very least by 2026 with one eye on the home soil RWC.

That tournament will be open slather for selections regardless I think.

Also pre 25 we will want to beat the Lions

 

[PhilClinton]

If Vunivalu can't stay healthy and make the Wallabies this year it's hard to see him being offered any contract higher than a Super Rugby one.

So far he has been a waste of money. Hopefully that can change this year.

If he doesn’t make a case for the Wallabies this year he will be off to league.

One of the cellar dwellers will offer him a long deal worth $400k a year or the Dolphins will grab him, they’ve got no real backline at the moment.

I don’t think the Tupou contract is overly reliant on Suli’s potential deal anyway.

 

[wamberal]

If we lose Tupou and other players in his tier in the next year or so, you can nearly guarantee there will be further amendments made to that new agreement, at the very least by 2026 with one eye on the home soil RWC.

That tournament will be open slather for selections regardless I think.

I believe that maybe open slather is the way to go anyway. Horses for courses. Maybe we should have a Commissioner, who can oversee and direct our playing strength, tell the franchises who they can have, and which position a player should fill. We are just not big enough as a sport in Australia to be too prescriptive.

 

[Tomikin]

10000000% Honestly, good luck to anyone that wishes to head abroad; someone else will step up.

If I was a fringe player, I would be gunning for that chance.

To put things into perspective, I grew up in South America, and always a s.....t to get players to come back for national duty; some clubs are just feeder clubs for big OS clubs.

We should probably the one thing we should have a transfer fees although we don't "own" the payers. It would be nice to have a clause in each contract with a small transfer fee that helps develop local players.

We never have people leave mid contract, or hardly ever (some early release) how on earth you going to enforce a transfer fee when most people just sign once their contracts over.

 

[PhilClinton]

I believe that maybe open slather is the way to go anyway. Horses for courses. Maybe we should have a Commissioner, who can oversee and direct our playing strength, tell the franchises who they can have, and which position a player should fill. We are just not big enough as a sport in Australia to be too prescriptive.

There really is no simple answer, but I will say this... currently whilst Japan is growing their Tier 1 competition and the MLR grows, now isn't a bad time to be investing majority of our funding into our grassroots and resigning the fact that we can't afford to keep established players onshore.

Eventually, if the Japanese and Yanks want to really kick their competitions into next gear, they'll need to make changes to their competitions and invest more into their own grassroots, at that time, we may see a big reduction in the amount of Aussie's being brought across to their comps. That moment is likely a number of years away.

I know it isn't as simple as that, and there will always be money floating around, but the current climate in terms of lots of money offshore and not much money here in Australia, is enough for me to think it may be a good time to open the flood gates and let us select anyone for the Wallabies, let the boys go and earn some big coin with no consequences. Rebuild from the bottom up, pump all the funds into the grassroots and school-based comps and a paid 1st grade competition and then once we have a war chest again post 2027 RWC, we can make a play to rebuild Super Rugby.

That plan isn't for everyone obviously, but that's why we are in this mess! No one can agree or decide on anything.

 

[Marce]

If Vunivalu can't stay healthy and make the Wallabies this year it's hard to see him being offered any contract higher than a Super Rugby one.

So far he has been a waste of money. Hopefully that can change this year.

That money would have been perfect to keep Marika in Super Rugby. A proved Rugby Union winger. Suli has the potential too but is unknown ATM, and his body apparently is an issue

 

[Bandar]

What has RA done to piss off the ABC so much, there's not even a search function to find news items or scores.

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[Derpus]

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I honestly think RA trawl this forum for ideas. Probably read your complaint and asked the ABC to do the thing.