Australian Rugby / RA

[Slim 293]

So the game can find 9m to buy the Tahs one player yet can’t even support the Rebs in Super W

Time is a flat circle?

 

[Strewthcobber]

How does taking a $5.3m contract over three years to $8m over 5 years result in a secret $4m clause?

 

[Mick The Munch]

Not quite; Rebels only played out the 2024 season because RA negotiated with the appointed administrator to cover any operational losses through the 2024 season, agreed upon because it was in the best interest of the existing creditors, they couldn't continue this model indefinitely without addressing the issue of a $23 million debt though. They also couldn't just phoenix the club and no attached debt, especially given the ATO was one of the largest creditors and is on the lookout for this kind of activity these days.

Let's how the court case shakes out (if/when it happens)

 

[Mick The Munch]

Poked the bear?

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/10/08/teen-sensation-chooses-nrl-over-rugby-just-days-after-starring-role-against-new-zealand/

 

[Braveheart81]

Poked the bear?

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/10/08/teen-sensation-chooses-nrl-over-rugby-just-days-after-starring-role-against-new-zealand/

He was always incredibly likely to sign with an NRL team (and most likely the Tigers).

 

[Slim 293]

Poked the bear?

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/10/08/teen-sensation-chooses-nrl-over-rugby-just-days-after-starring-role-against-new-zealand/

Huh?

He has played both codes. After playing his junior league with Campbelltown City Kangaroos, Makasini starred for the Wests Magpies’ Harold Matthews team.

He was named the Harold Matthews Cup player of the year in 2024, scoring 92 points and finishing as the leading try scorer with 10 tries from as many games.

As has already been discussed, there's a few players in the Schoolboys squad who are also league players and have already been courted by the NRL.

 

[Braveheart81]

I have no specific knowledge but I would not be at all surprised to find out that the Wests Tigers were paying his school fees.

 

[Reds Rick]

Let's how the court case shakes out (if/when it happens)

Speaking of poking the bear…https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/10/...stralia-to-federal-court-seek-30m-in-damages/

 

[Slim 293]

Almost five months after deciding to chop the Rebels from Super Rugby, the gloves are now firmly off, with the Melbourne franchise taking Rugby Australia to court.

The Roar can reveal that the Rebels lodged their statement of claim in the Federal Court of Australia on Tuesday.

It’s understood the Rebels are seeking more than $30 million in damages and, ultimately, want to return to the playing field.

Hmmmmm... there appears to be the same arguments in there, with the same giant holes in them.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Well now we know why RA aren't funding the Rebel's women's team - the budget for that is going straight into a SC's yacht refurbishment

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

I have no specific knowledge but I would not be at all surprised to find out that the Wests Tigers were paying his school fees.

Yeah it's not a lost player in reality. Iv'e said the same thing on a few threads but in March Shane Richardson (Tigers CEO) and Benji Marshall (Head Coach) said he was a must retain from their Harold Matthews side. This is the same as Cam Murray when he was at Newington just a different NRL side.

He'll be up for a new contract before he's 21. Hopefully a positive experience in Rugby can mean RA and a Super Franchise won't have any potential approaches ignored.

 

[Braveheart81]

This is the same as Cam Murray when he was at Newington just a different NRL side.

And before him, Tahs legend Tepai Moeroa.

 

[Rebel man]

I heard that the secret $4m clause was contingent on RA being successful in folding the Rebels.

Would cost less than half his annual salary to keep the girls on the park. As someone who has raised money to help support young girls in the pathways to try and become a rebel decisions like this are pathetic

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

And if the Wallabies cant garner public interest and some positive results all the mouths down stream go hungry.

 

[JRugby2]

Would cost less than half his annual salary to keep the girls on the park. As someone who has raised money to help support young girls in the pathways to try and become a rebel decisions like this are pathetic

I completely agree with the sentiment but again, getting upset about this ignore the reality of the situation. The report came out today - but when Sua'ali'i's contract was signed, the Rebels we're a functioning franchise (at least outwardly anyway) and the decision to fund the women's team OR fund this contract wasn't in front of them.

The Rebels administration where lying to everyone about there financial situation, how could anyone have possibly predicted this?

Be as salty as you want - but what do you genuinely expect RA to do about it?

Walk away from the deal? Get sued and pay him out anyway without benefiting from his services and still not have the cash to fund the rebels w?

 

[Rebel man]

I completely agree with the sentiment but again, getting upset about this ignore the reality of the situation. The report came out today - but when Sua'ali'i's contract was signed, the Rebels we're a functioning franchise (at least outwardly anyway) and the decision to fund the women's team OR fund this contract wasn't in front of them.

The Rebels administration where lying to everyone about there financial situation, how could anyone have possibly predicted this?

Be as salty as you want - but what do you genuinely expect RA to do about it?

Walk away from the deal? Get sued and pay him out anyway without benefiting from his services and still not have the cash to fund the rebels w?

Well funny that you have accepted that as fact when it is one of a number of claims up for dispute in front of the federal court. Also RA knew the overall financial position of the game was precarious at best that’s why they were desperate for a private equity deal to prop the administration up. Maybe at the time they could have taken the prudent approach and not spent the PE money on a single player before they closed the deal

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Well funny that you have accepted that as fact when it is one of a number of claims up for dispute in front of the federal court. Also RA knew the overall financial position of the game was precarious at best that’s why they were desperate for a private equity deal to prop the administration up. Maybe at the time they could have taken the prudent approach and not spent the PE money on a single player before they closed the deal

What money? JS money was for nothing other than him from my understanding. He hasn't taken food out of anyone else mouth.

Iv'e seen a few people say we could have used that for xyz but we couldn't of because it wouldn't have existed for that.

 

[Rebel man]

What money? JS money was for nothing other than him from my understanding. He hasn't taken food out of anyone else mouth.

Iv'e seen a few people say we could have used that for xyz but we couldn't have because it wouldn't have existed for that.

Nothing against the kid, he would be crazy to knock back that deal. But the game didn’t need to get into a bidding war and pay overs for him in the first place

 

[cyclopath]

you can't say 'Nek Minit' and then jump back in time...... that's not how the expression works

He could change his name to Mick The Multiverse

 

[JRugby2]

Well funny that you have accepted that as fact when it is one of a number of claims up for dispute in front of the federal court. Also RA knew the overall financial position of the game was precarious at best that’s why they were desperate for a private equity deal to prop the administration up. Maybe at the time they could have taken the prudent approach and not spent the PE money on a single player before they closed the deal

There is no reason to not accept them until they've been successfully challenged in court, and even if they knew - I'm not sure how knowing changes anything when the club put itself in $23M in debt with assets that amounted to the trade in value of a used Toyota Camry.

And again - I agree with the sentiment that it was a poor look for the game to be splurging that money on a single player at the time (or any time that matter) but trying to connect the two as if the downfall of the Rebels is somehow the fault of RA, or RA signing Sua'ali'i is frankly - ridiculous.

This is beside the point - but around half the deal is being paid for outside of the RA books through private benefactors which significantly reduces the burden on RA anyway. This doesn't change the fact that the reason the Rebels W wont run next year because the Rebels don't exist and can't direct revenue their way - and also the fact that the Rebels not currently existing is mostly the Rebels fault.