Australian Rugby / RA

[Marce]

I’m sure the wallabies and kiwis can find a date for the 3rd Bledisloe match as well

3 matches does help our chances getting the cup back in the years where Australia host 2 matches or even the token neutral location

The Bledisloe isn't so important as used to be in the 90s and 2000s. This NZ-SA agreement is due to the lack of competitiveness of Bledisloe and Super Rugby. It's an answer due to the Kiwis think that Australia is not their main rival, not anymore

 

[Tomthumb]

The Bledisloe isn't so important as used to be in the 90s and 2000s. This NZ-SA agreement is due to the lack of competitiveness of Bledisloe and Super Rugby. It's an answer due to the Kiwis think that Australia is not their main rival, not anymore

Ironic considering NZ chased South Africa out of Super Rugby

 

[Marce]

Ironic considering NZ chased South Africa out of Super Rugby

They never were competitive at Super Rugby but they won Web Ellis trophies cause their style of pick and go fits perfectly for a 7 games tournament

 

[Omar Comin']

Can a Wallaby-focussed Nucifora-style centralised, cohesion based model even coexist with a competitive, tribalistic domestic competition?

Probably not to the same extent due to the need for 8-10 teams, but it would also depend how much money is behind it and whether the Wallabies players and contenders are playing in it. If they are you can still have a fair bit of central control over players (like England and Japan).

 

[Derpus]

You would need a centralised model to ensure competition anyway, no? Otherwise the spread of Wallabies would inevitably end up skewed to just a few teams. Though I note this is basically Leinster.

 

[Joe King]

Having less teams at the level below the Wallabies makes building cohesion (in terms of TWI) easier because it happens naturally. You don't need to be too intensional about it.

But it would still be possible for the Wallabies to have high cohesion levels if there were several more teams in the tier below them, it would just take an intensional effort and probably a bit of creativity. I don't think RA is very heavily invested in the concept, but if they were, they could still do it. France did.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Im fine with TRC of one match against each. Six nations is great.
8 week tour is going to be cool once. That’s a ridiculous amount in my mind and 4 tests is also silly. How many drawn series will there be?
I think 3 tests with midweek matches is a great idea and maybe that’s 3-4 weeks

not sure what wallabies will do in these years. Assuming global calendar will have to move otherwise wallabies and pumas will be big losers overall.

 

[Steve_Grey]

Im fine with TRC of one match against each. Six nations is great.
8 week tour is going to be cool once. That’s a ridiculous amount in my mind and 4 tests is also silly. How many drawn series will there be?
I think 3 tests with midweek matches is a great idea and maybe that’s 3-4 weeks

not sure what wallabies will do in these years. Assuming global calendar will have to move otherwise wallabies and pumas will be big losers overall.

Wallabies tour Argentina - simple ;-)

 

[KOB1987]

Just a random hypothetical - let’s say that the 2025 Lions tour and hosting the 2027 World Cup provide a massive boost to Australian rugby, player numbers blossom and we return to #1 in the world. Which of NZ or SA bail out of this arrangement first?

 

[Steve_Grey]

Just a random hypothetical - let’s say that the 2025 Lions tour and hosting the 2027 World Cup provide a massive boost to Australian rugby, player numbers blossom and we return to #1 in the world. Which of NZ or SA bail out of this arrangement first?

It will be a tie (but don't hold your hypothetical breath).

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Just a random hypothetical - let’s say that the 2025 Lions tour and hosting the 2027 World Cup provide a massive boost to Australian rugby, player numbers blossom and we return to #1 in the world. Which of NZ or SA bail out of this arrangement first?

NZ

 

[Adam84]

Just a random hypothetical - let’s say that the 2025 Lions tour and hosting the 2027 World Cup provide a massive boost to Australian rugby, player numbers blossom and we return to #1 in the world. Which of NZ or SA bail out of this arrangement first?

NZ

 

[Dan54]

Just a random hypothetical - let’s say that the 2025 Lions tour and hosting the 2027 World Cup provide a massive boost to Australian rugby, player numbers blossom and we return to #1 in the world. Which of NZ or SA bail out of this arrangement first

You do realise it's only a 2 tour agreement set up, 2026 and 2030. Everyone know the landscape is changing to quick to say things will go on longer than 10 years.

 

[Wilson]

It's looking like no rugby championship in the tour years:

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/09/06/huge-change-to-rugby-championship-future-revealed-rival-fears-being-shafted-in-bok-all-blacks-power-play/

 

[Joe Blow]

NZ pulling away? SA have already done so to a degree……after a good push.
It should start to get interesting now.

 

[Adam84]

Won’t be surprised to see South Africa push for 6 Nations inclusion long term, from a financial perspective it’s going to generate the most $$… and given TRC and SANZAAR ‘alliance’ has been trashed now with this decision, why wouldn’t they.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Sounds like 2028 is up for grabs. Is that where a 3x home and 3x away tours Aus v SA tours happen?

 

[Joe Blow]

Jesus, the Kiwis. Like a rat up a drain pipe.
They push the Boks out of bed then try and jump back in, leaving us out in the cold. Its probably a good thing as it will set many other things in motion, not least of all us putting together our provincial plan post Super Rugby.

 

[cyclopath]

Won’t be surprised to see South Africa push for 6 Nations inclusion long term, from a financial perspective it’s going to generate the most $$… and given TRC and SANZAAR ‘alliance’ has been trashed now with this decision, why wouldn’t they.

I'd be surprised if the 6N teams want to add them. They'll bitch and moan about travelling to SA for games etc...
Not to mention reducing the chances of winning the thing.

 

[Wilson]

I'd be surprised if the 6N teams want to add them. They'll bitch and moan about travelling to SA for games etc...
Not to mention reducing the chances of winning the thing.

They won't be keen to, until/unless the money looks too good to refuse, then they'll be falling over themselves to welcome them. The Welsh, Scottish and French are all in varying degrees of financial trouble and the English aren't exactly without issues either. If they see South Africa as a solution, they'll take it.

That said I don't think it particularly likely at the moment, but it's not that improbable either.