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Aussie Player Exodus

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
When I was a kid, the national team played s handful of Test matches a year, but, conversely, the local Saturday afternoon club game at the old Eastwood Oval usually featured a Wallaby or two (none from Eastwood, I hasten to add).

In those days, and for many years thereafter, Wallabies came from diverse backgrounds, but most of them were pursuing either a profession, or a business career, or were from a farming family.

No doubt some of them did some naughty things, but of course if they did, they were never publicised.

In those days the national squad assembled 48 hours before each game and for the rest of their lives the players led normal lives.

They were well respected to a man.

That's our Wallaby heritage, it has been changed out of all recognition. The players typically come from a narrow range of backgrounds, very little in their lives apart from the sport (a bit of study to fill in a few hours for some of them), every move is scrutinised and reported on social media, they are over-exposed in one sense, playing 40 games a year - but totally under-exposed in another. A young kid will not see a Wallaby running around in club rugby on a Saturday arvo,

In fact, unless his parents have Foxtel, he (or she) will only see them a few times a year on television.

Once upon a time, the players, past and present, were well rounded normal people who happened to be particularly talented at a sport many of us played at school. Now not many schools play the game. And the players lead highly specialised and frankly uninteresting lives (apart from the occasional scandal, that is).
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
You've just described the difference between entirely amateur and professional sport.

I'm not really sure what your point is. A team of amateurs might be better rounded people but they are going to get flogged by the professionals every day of the week.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
You've just described the difference between entirely amateur and professional sport.

I'm not really sure what your point is. A team of amateurs might be better rounded people but they are going to get flogged by the professionals every day of the week.


The point is pretty obvious. Now what they do is a job, it used to be (and be seen as) a privilege.

Job satisfaction matters, no doubt, but in a very short working career the money one can earn is by far the most important thing.

That's why the jersey they wear doesn't matter to them. It's a job.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
This is what I mean by some of these guys still having things to prove as Wallabies.

Winning a Bledisloe. A RWC. More Rugby Championships.

Still - if they win a RWC this year then that's a pretty huge tick.

I think the question around the value of the Wallaby jersey is more around whether having 'Ex-Wallaby' on a player's CV is as valuable as 'Ex-All Black' or 'Ex-Springbok'. I hope it does because that's a big bargaining chip to keeping players in Australia. Do the hard yards and become a Wallaby - when you've achieved what you want to there, the pay-out is in even bigger overseas eg. Nonu, Carter, Franks etc

Mate - to me as an Australian an Ex-Wallaby means a lot more to me than Ex All Black, Ex-Mexico, Ex-Georgia, Ex-Bokke - they are just others (to me).

It means that the Ex-Wallaby was the best player in Australia at the time of choosing the team
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Mate - to me as an Australian an Ex-Wallaby means a lot more to me than Ex All Black, Ex-Mexico, Ex-Georgia, Ex-Bokke - they are just others (to me).

It means that the Ex-Wallaby was the best player in Australia at the time of choosing the team


Great - let me know when you own a team that is trying to attract top players and then your opinion will be relevant.
 

Spieber

Bob Loudon (25)
Just did quick count of Aussies in France - 27 in Top 14 squads; 25 in Pro D2 squads. Funniest is Narbonne with 13 players from Aust (Elsom, Sheehan, Tomiki, Veratau, Halangahu, Edmonds et al) and complete management team - they are currently 3rd last in D2. :confused:
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Anyway, a Aussies abroad team (2016 edition), to be updated as we hear:

15 Drew Mitchell
14 Nick Cummins
13 Adam Ashley-Cooper
12 Matt Giteau
11 Digby Ioane
10 Berrick Barnes
9 Nick White

8 Ben Mowen
7 Scott Higginbotham
6 Peter Kimlin
5 James Horwill
4 Kane Douglas
3 Kieran Longbottom
2 Anthony Heagerty
1 Sekope Kepu

16 Albert Anae
17 Jonno Owen
18 Salesi Ma'afu
19 Sitelaki Timani
20 Dean Mumm
21
22 Brock James
23 Aidan Toua


Any obvious ones I missed out? I expect this team to get a lot stronger.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Just did quick count of Aussies in France - 27 in Top 14 squads; 25 in Pro D2 squads. Funniest is Narbonne with 13 players from Aust (Elsom, Sheehan, Tomiki, Veratau, Halangahu, Edmonds et al) and complete management team - they are currently 3rd last in D2. :confused:

Wow - Lee Tomiki and Henari Vertau are still playing! Good for them. Good examples of fringe representative players who have taken advantage of the international market for rugby.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Stupid comment, - what is the relevance of your comment

Well are you going to pay these players?

The question is about how much value is placed on a Wallaby jersey when viewed in a player's CV as opposed to another country.

In short, can ex-AB or ex-Bok players expect more when they start looking at going overseas as opposed to ex-Wallabies.

That's why your opinion, as well as my own, is really irrelevant.

If being an ex-Wallaby is veiwed as highly as as other nations then it makes sense for up-and-coming players to stick around and work for the jersey as it will one day pay-off more than leaving now will. Not just in terms of job satisfaction (for lack of a better term) but also monetarily.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
The point is pretty obvious. Now what they do is a job, it used to be (and be seen as) a privilege.

Job satisfaction matters, no doubt, but in a very short working career the money one can earn is by far the most important thing.

That's why the jersey they wear doesn't matter to them. It's a job.

I don't think that correlates with the Wallaby jersey no longer being important to them and the reason why they have pushed themselves to begin with. It's just a different dynamic to what existed in the past.

When the game was amateur there was no doubt that players made a sacrifice to pursue rugby at the highest level because they weren't getting paid for it.

It just so happens now that there is a direct correlation between achieving the highest accolades and status in the game and getting paid the most for doing it.

You can only operate in the situation that is available to you. The players now train and compete far harder to get the privilege of wearing the Wallaby jumper because that is the environment they are competing in. They also have the time to train a lot harder because they are being paid to do so.

You can look at Wallabies from any era and find people that are entirely committed, put their body on the line every time they play and are willing to push their bodies and play through injury. The pride is still very apparent.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Damien Fitzpatrick @ 2 (one of the bigger unknown losses)
Mark Chisholm over Timani
George Smith at 7 and Higginbotham over Kimlin
 
T

TOCC

Guest
I definitely think the jersey still matters.. It doesn't necessarily have to be an inverse relationship, the value of representing your country doesn't decrease, purely the opportunity to set yourself up for life increases.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Just did quick count of Aussies in France - 27 in Top 14 squads; 25 in Pro D2 squads. Funniest is Narbonne with 13 players from Aust (Elsom, Sheehan, Tomiki, Veratau, Halangahu, Edmonds et al) and complete management team - they are currently 3rd last in D2. :confused:

They're actually a decent side but have the worst scrum in the comp (go figure why) and they concede 1-2 penalty tries a game which is why they're so shit.
 

GunnerDownUnder

Jim Clark (26)
Hopefully not too off-topic, but Ben Toolis being selected in the Scottish training squad represents a bigger (potential) loss for Australia than some of these guys?
 

mudskipper

Colin Windon (37)
The great same about Nuc White is he didnt reach his full potentual before heading overseas... Really just a great same on all fronts for australyan rugby...
 

HighPlainsDrifter

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Here's one from left field ...Maybe an Australian Barbarians Team (made up of Nth Hemisphere Aussies) could play the winner of the 6 nations and be coached by Laurie Fisher at possibly Twickenham or in Paris , now that would be interesting .....
 
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