ARU brainwave to plug $$$ black hole

[TOCC]

the cost is actually going up in sydney TOCC as the amount of cheap tickets has decreased, behind the posts where all catergory 4 a few years back, now the first few rows are and the seats behind are more expensive, so they are actually going up, just not to those that dont know. makes for good marketing.

i got free tickets to brisbane, as did alot of other people i know through QLD tourism, wonder how much that cost them?

as i said, they make a couple of million more off the game in sydney, they should have had the bledisloe last year i brisbane and this year in sydney to help them out. im not arguing about the game being held there at all, just the timing.

How much did the free tickets cost the ARU?? nothing since you got them from QLD Tourism lol, that's my whole point, the government 'subsidises' the match indirectly through QLD Tourism and Stadiums QLD... Events QLD doesnt actually have a very big budget because they leverage there funding through the two other branches i just mentioned...

The 'couple of million' figure is nothing but a estimation based on very little, undoubtedly they can earn more in Sydney from a test match, however it doesn't cost the ARU a couple of million to host a match in Melbourne or Brisbane due to the event branches of each state either directly paying the ARU or utilising other means to make the package more attractive.

Do we really think JON would have taken the game to Brisbane purely out of the graciousness of his own heart? Or to Melbourne purely becuase he wanted to expand the code down there? lol
No, there is financial merit behind the decision as well.

 

[stoff]

Maybe they should have had it in Melbourne. We will pay pretty much any price to get any event. Think we're up for about $70m for the F1s this year. Maybe if they could play a test as some sort of support event and then put all the players head to head in a Bledisloe Celebrity Grand Prix. Actually, there is some space in the programme this year because the RAAF Roulettes aren't coming. God its been a long boring day at work.

 

[waratahjesus]

so what your saying TOCC, is the ARU will make less money out of having the game in brisbane than sydney.
i dont have the time now, but i will find the document, it is over 2 million more o the gate for a sold out event in sydney than brisbane, can the event actually sell out in sydney, maybe not. but my point is, that if they were thinking ahead, having the game in brisbane last year or next would have cut down there budget deficet for this year.

even if its by 10 dollars it was a much smarter decision.

 

[JJ]

Why don't we just win the World Cup?

 

[TOCC]

so what your saying TOCC, is the ARU will make less money out of having the game in brisbane than sydney.
i dont have the time now, but i will find the document, it is over 2 million more o the gate for a sold out event in sydney than brisbane, can the event actually sell out in sydney, maybe not. but my point is, that if they were thinking ahead, having the game in brisbane last year or next would have cut down there budget deficet for this year.

even if its by 10 dollars it was a much smarter decision.

And my point is that only 70'000 turned up in 2010 to the Sydney test, so comparing 'sell-out' crowd figures is a pointless exercise... the days of a garunteed sell out crowd in Sydney are over, Briabane is still sure thing..

You find me the document to 'prove' your magical $2million figure and only then will I believe you, it better not be from 2002 either lol..

 

[disco]

If the Reds have another good season then it won't matter if we play the Boks or Blacks in Brizzy as the test will sellout.

Sydney only get's a crowd at Telstra Stadium for the All Blacks all other Wallaby test's in Sydney should be played at the SFS.

Anyway the big money will come with trophies & the Lions Tour.

I'm already pumped for the Lions tour it's gonna be massive.

 

[waratahjesus]

And my point is that only 70'000 turned up in 2010 to the Sydney test, so comparing 'sell-out' crowd figures is a pointless exercise... the days of a garunteed sell out crowd in Sydney are over, Briabane is still sure thing..

You find me the document to 'prove' your magical $2million figure and only then will I believe you, it better not be from 2002 either lol..

ad as i said, 70000 is worth a gate 1.2 million greater, brisbane is no sure thing at all. that is a complete lie. after comped tickets and corporates, there not actually selling many at all, its comparable to the sfs more than anz. as i said, im not arguing about the game being there, the timing of it.

im not having a go, im speaking on the topic, feel free to take your passion for your beloved qld and funnel it into and excuse why they dont make the finals or perform as well as last year. its more worth your time.


Tri-Nations Game
This international rugby competition sees Australia, South Africa and New Zealand play each
other twice – a home and away game. The New Zealand and Australian games are also the
annual Bledisloe Cup clashes. Sydney usually hosts one of these games, and in 2003 this
will be against New Zealand on July 26.
The game is a sell-out at the 92,000 seat Telstra Stadium at Homebush. Around two-thirds of
the stadium seats will be filled by the general public. Average prices of around $100/ticket
imply gate revenues of around $5.5 million on the night. Plus an additional few million in
corporate boxes and packages for Stadium Australia members. Allowing for spending on
refreshments should also add another $4 million to $6 million to the spending total. Overall, in
ground spending is likely to be around $12 million to $15 million.

http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/2003/nsw/EconomicsNSW.pdf

its from a few years ago, the amount of money would be more now (based on a sell out) im aware that sydney doesnt sell out, im just aware the aru makes more money from playing tests here, not taking a shot at brisbane that has an awesome ground that i enjoy, just saying its a bad aru decision in a year there going to post a loss.

 

[TOCC]

ad as i said, 70000 is worth a gate 1.2 million greater, brisbane is no sure thing at all. that is a complete lie. after comped tickets and corporates, there not actually selling many at all, its comparable to the sfs more than anz. as i said, im not arguing about the game being there, the timing of it.

im not having a go, im speaking on the topic, feel free to take your passion for your beloved qld and funnel it into and excuse why they dont make the finals or perform as well as last year. its more worth your time.

haha, please dont try and turn this into some patriotic crap, i would have the exact same stance if the game were been held in Melbourne....
...so until you come back with this 'supposed' document of yours, then im not going to waste my time anymore.

The only thing which stopped the NRL GF moving to Brisbane was a big cash injection from the NSW Government..... fancy that huh?

Brisbane's heavy-hitting grand final advocates have made the point to the NRL that Brisbane deserve one - or more - grand finals during a 10-year period from 2012 on the basis of business reasons, as well as the state's enhanced status as the crowd-drawing power base of Australian league.

They believe they can demonstrate that the net yield to the NRL from a Suncorp Stadium grand final would be comparable to one at ANZ Stadium, despite the Sydney venue's 30,000 extra seats.

Premium prices cannot be commanded for many of those seats because of their distance from the field.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...-stadium-in-2013/story-e6frep5x-1225847863069

 

[waratahjesus]

haha, please dont try and turn this into some patriotic crap, i would have the exact same stance if the game were been held in Melbourne....
...so until you come back with this 'supposed' document of yours, then im not going to waste my time anymore.

The only thing which stopped the NRL GF moving to Brisbane was a big cash injection from the NSW Government..... fancy that huh?

are we discussing NRL now?

 

[TOCC]

One would think that the implications of the article are obvious in the relevance to this topic....

 

[waratahjesus]

"No doubt the move to Suncorp was fuelled by optimistic forecasts about crowd sizes for the Reds, but the figures -- with 30,000 at Suncorp generating as much money for the QRU as 18,000 at Ballymore -- never stacked up. No one has ever come clean on what crowd was needed before the QRU made a cent, but the lowest estimate was 15,000. And even that quickly became a struggle."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...f-its-own-making/story-e6frg7t6-1225837533454

yeah, your doing well TOCC, completely missed my point, argued without arguing. i spose the queensland government wasnt putting a cent in to get teh nrl grand final up there, just the people of queensland rubbing there two cents together and paying twice as much a ticket?

 

[lincoln]

ARU should have asked Qld and NSW to submit bids to host the game - huge inflow of revenue for whomever has it.

 

[TOCC]

"No doubt the move to Suncorp was fuelled by optimistic forecasts about crowd sizes for the Reds, but the figures -- with 30,000 at Suncorp generating as much money for the QRU as 18,000 at Ballymore -- never stacked up. No one has ever come clean on what crowd was needed before the QRU made a cent, but the lowest estimate was 15,000. And even that quickly became a struggle."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...f-its-own-making/story-e6frg7t6-1225837533454

yeah, your doing well TOCC, completely missed my point, argued without arguing. i spose the queensland government wasnt putting a cent in to get teh nrl grand final up there, just the people of queensland rubbing there two cents together and paying twice as much a ticket?

Your not doing yourself any favours of 'ridding' yourself of this troll persona...
The QRU and what crowds they get to Suncorp Stadium have nothing to do with the ARU and their contract with a stadium.

Even in 2008 when the Reds were in the doldrums and getting barely 10'000 people, the ARU still managed to host a sell-out Bledisloe in Brisbane, at prices above those of Sydney in 2010....

 

[TOCC]

yeah, your doing well TOCC, completely missed my point, argued without arguing. i spose the queensland government wasnt putting a cent in to get teh nrl grand final up there, just the people of queensland rubbing there two cents together and paying twice as much a ticket?

Similar as to what has been put towards the ARU and the Bledisloe, what part are you struggling with buddy?

The Queensland government had weighed in with a big offer to move the grand final to Suncorp Stadium before their NSW counterparts presented the NRL with a reported $50 million offer to keep the match at ANZ Stadium until 2022.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-nsw-clash-over-nrl-grand-final-20100402-rjal.html

 

[waratahjesus]

Your not doing yourself any favours of 'ridding' yourself of this troll persona...
The QRU and what crowds they get to Suncorp Stadium have nothing to do with the ARU and their contract with a stadium.

Even in 2008 when the Reds were in the doldrums and getting barely 10'000 people, the ARU still managed to host a sell-out Bledisloe in Brisbane, at prices above those of Sydney in 2010....

at prices above with 20,000 less tickets. i really dont know why your calling me a troll. you have never actually discussed the point ive made or made a case to disprove the part of it your arguing. im not making it a sydney v brisbane thing. your just blind from brisbanitis.

the government in brisbane chips in money for events just like sydney, melbourne and any other state. what i dont believe you have brought into question at all is that sydney generates more money. i dont care that the game is in brisbane one bit, sharing is caring. but for the thread where in when the ARU is saying it wants players to play a 10-11 month season and back up after a few weeks off, im just suggesting that playing the games where they will draw the most money might have been a better idea than bitching about the loss of money this year. its just a suggestion, your faith in your state is great and i really dont care what you think of me, if you want to get into name calling i suggest you go post on twf again.

in the meantime, god bless you and i hope the anger you have disperses over time.

 

[TOCC]

at prices above with 20,000 less tickets. i really dont know why your calling me a troll. you have never actually discussed the point ive made or made a case to disprove the part of it your arguing. im not making it a sydney v brisbane thing. your just blind from brisbanitis.

the government in brisbane chips in money for events just like sydney, melbourne and any other state. what i dont believe you have brought into question at all is that sydney generates more money. i dont care that the game is in brisbane one bit, sharing is caring. but for the thread where in when the ARU is saying it wants players to play a 10-11 month season and back up after a few weeks off, im just suggesting that playing the games where they will draw the most money might have been a better idea than bitching about the loss of money this year. its just a suggestion, your faith in your state is great and i really dont care what you think of me, if you want to get into name calling i suggest you go post on twf again.

in the meantime, god bless you and i hope the anger you have disperses over time.

lol, aww come on...

I think its obvious as to what i have been saying, you said the ARU will lose "millions" by shifting the game to Brisbane... I rebutted this comment with the fact that the ARU can charge higher prices and also get quite exstensive government concessions in QLD, its absolutely no secret to anyone that QLD and VIC Govt's offer greater 'packages' towards events like the Bledisloe then what NSW does. Adittionally, your theory of the ARU losing millions is based on the pretence that ANZ Stadium would sell out, which going on last years figure of 70'000 is unlikely..

Like i said, this has nothing to do with state patriotism, its the reality of the matter, i would argue the same debate in regards to Melbourne as well, who incidentally receive a bigger govt cash injection but get a lower yield from gate takings.

John O'Neil didnt move a Bledisloe to QLD out of the good of his heart, there is financial merit behind the decision as well, he may also be looking in the longer term, maybe Sydney has had market saturation of the Bledisloe.. Having one year away might pick the crowds up again in 2012.

 

[waratahjesus]

lol, aww come on...

I think its obvious as to what i have been saying, you said the ARU will lose "millions" by shifting the game to Brisbane... I rebutted this comment with the fact that the ARU can charge higher prices and also get quite exstensive government concessions in QLD, its absolutely no secret to anyone that QLD and VIC Govt's offer greater 'packages' towards events like the Bledisloe then what NSW does. Adittionally, your theory of the ARU losing millions is based on the pretence that ANZ Stadium would sell out, which going on last years figure of 70'000 is unlikely..

Like i said, this has nothing to do with state patriotism, its the reality of the matter, i would argue the same debate in regards to Melbourne as well, who incidentally receive a bigger govt cash injection but get a lower yield from gate takings.

John O'Neil didnt move a Bledisloe to QLD out of the good of his heart, there is financial merit behind the decision as well, he may also be looking in the longer term, maybe Sydney has had market saturation of the Bledisloe.. Having one year away might pick the crowds up again in 2012.

glad i could provide you with a giggle you could have given yourself champ.

JON moved the bledisloe because he is contractually obligated to provide a bledisloe match to melboure and brisbane every 3 years based on the current tri-nations formula of playing two home matches against the all blacks every second year, my statement that the ARU would make millions more based on a sell out in sydney is absolutely correct. thanks for qlarifying that. my point which has been my point all along is that maybe the ARU could have managed it better and played the game last year in brissy and this year in sydney etc etc int he hope of generating greater revenue in this year.

feel free to ignore that and post about the NRL again, or perhaps even include some A-league figures?

 

[Lee Grant]

Getting boring.

I was involved in one of these when I said Turner should have got a penalty try in Rd. 1 last year against the Reds and I was tag teamed by a couple of blokes. The Reds lost the lineout anyway and Sidey scored, but it didn't matter - hammers and tongs were out in force.

I failed to realise that others weren't even worried about who was right and who wrong; they were bored. I should have known better; 9 years before that I had a barney with 3 guys on the old Scrum forum (may it rest in peace) about Richard Hill getting clobbered by Grey and I had the temerity to talk about the attacks on Larkham in the same game by the Lions thugs.

Let's agree to disagree and stop.

 

[waratahjesus]

Getting boring.

I was involved in one of these when I said Turner should have got a penalty try in Rd. 1 last year against the Reds and I was tag teamed by a couple of blokes. The Reds lost the lineout anyway and Sidey scored, but it didn't matter - hammers and tongs were out in force.

I failed to realise that others weren't even worried about who was right and who wrong; they were bored. I should have known better; 9 years before that I had a barney with 3 guys on the old Scrum forum (may it rest in peace) about Richard Hill getting clobbered by Grey and I had the temerity to talk about the attacks on Larkham in the same game by the Lions thugs.

Let's agree to disagree and stop.

i agree totally lee.

but it sounds like you havnt let go of either of those things, sounds like you should get them off your chest some....

 

[Lee Grant]

I just did.