Is anything on the ground there?
The only thing close is the left leg, and it looks like Hutchinson is completely underneath it.
Albeit I've only seen that picture. I wouldn't have given it on "try no try", but I would on "any reason I cannot award the try".
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Very, very dangerous territory to award this as a try. Chances are 99/100 times his leg would touch the ground. Especially with more than a foot to go till he touches the ground. Also i'm pretty sure Hutchinson hasn't got a different skin complexion on his arm
The disappointment of losing that game was how well we played and how much we dominated key aspects of the game, particularly the collisions and couldn't turn that into more tries.
The tackle by Johnson-Holmes was silly and it is something we have been guilty of too often in this tournament. Three lifting tackles for three yellow cards which is ridiculous. It is a discipline issue. As soon as you lift a player off the ground you have a low probability of the tackle being legal.
It's very hard to tell and the shadows don't help.
Looking where the English player's left foot is, it makes it clear that it can't be his left knee that is planted on the ground already and has to by Hutchie's leg.
The reverse angle which showed both his feet off the ground made it look like the English player was entirely clear of the ground.
I think it is tough to pin that as a bad decision.
My bane with these decisions tho, is the probability is more likely he touched the ground first. Infact the probability of him touching the ground would be considerably higher than it of him grounding the ball. That's where the decision should go then and vise versa if that was the case.
His back leg is going to collapse before his body reaches the ground - most likely
There was also suspicion of his foot hitting the ground prior to this frame.
Then you can't confirm that his knee isn't already on the ground.
There's just too much grey around to give the decision. But by the TMO rules, if you can't confirm it then i guess it is what it is.
The boys we're gutted that they lost last night because they played their hearts out and never left anything out there on the park and also I don't think we should be blaming anyone, a split second reaction or a bad decision by a ref will always be a part of the game. They lost but they will be better for it the next time they are in the same situation. Well done boys you've made us proud.
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The simple rule now across all levels is do not lift - if you do your fate will be in the hands of the officialsas soon as you lift a player off the ground you have a low probability of the tackle being legal.
No shame in bowing out like that.The boys we're gutted that they lost last night because they played their hearts out and never left anything out there on the park and also I don't think we should be blaming anyone, a split second reaction or a bad decision by a ref will always be a part of the game. They lost but they will be better for it the next time they are in the same situation. Well done boys you've made us proud.
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The simple rule now across all levels is do not lift - if you do your fate will be in the hands of the officials
Yep, even with ones where you're not lifting the player particularly high or badly are likely to end up beyond the horizontal because most ball carriers will start twisting and looking for the ground so they can place the ball that on their side when they land.
Thats true.
In the good old days that tackle would have been applauded as a great tackle. It was a dominant tackle which is what you want to see.
And it wasnt that much above the horizontal.
So how do coaches teach players now to avoid being carded for a strong head on tackle?
Should the player drive his legs forward and therefore drive the attacking player backwards? It happens quickly.
It would interesting to hear about it from a coachs point of view.
They lost but they will be better for it the next time they are in the same situation. Well done boys you've made us proud.