2012 6 Nations

[Dai bando]

Very good game again, Warburton and bradly Davies, were missed but, the scots took it to us up front, were unlucky just before half time to knock on on our line, second half, 3 all and cusiter tried to trap the Kick off with his foot and it went into touch. We scored a try from that mistake, shortley after Johnathan Davies kicked on and was prevented from the chase by de luca who spent 10 in the bin wales were attacking the line when lamont came from an offside position and made a tackle on hook he too was sin binned. The scots had two men off which Wales took advantage of and scored another try.
But in fairness the Scots played really well, they just lack that killer punch from the backs, but they have found a real player in Steven Hogg, who comes into the line at pace and cut some vry good angles.
Wales didn't play that well, but won, With luck we will have several more of our top players with us before we take on England in two weeks, Englands greates strength is in their Defenceive line, it comes up very quickly and they stop most attacks be for they can start.
England I'm sorry to say are not as bad as some would believe, their pack is always tough, they to have finishers in fodden and that arrogant wing of theirs,

 

[Cardiffblue]

As you say, wouldnt have made any difference. they scored straight after. FFS dont make the game any slower. TMO decisons are took nearly 5 mins in Irish game. Well done boys. Now for the Saes! Sam will be back and AWJ. North will be a loss if he's out

 

[Cardiffblue]

And next year, Adam Jones will be in france and Gethin Jenkins possibly. Wonder who else will be off. Cardiff Blue said the Welsh 87 RWC team was torn apart by league poaching, this lot look like they could all be off to France.

French club rugby in 2012 isnt the end of the world - just a pain when they dont release the players. RL back in 87 was a path of no return. Plenty of current team already in France so it looks like we're coping and it does mean they re playing with the best in the world. Wonder how they manage with the language mind?

 

[Cutter]

Yep, twas a good game. If only Scotland had a classy 10 it would give them confidence, better execution and, without doubt, the results would follow.

 

[qwerty51]

Getting sick of these refereeing mistakes costing teams. The referee had no base to call that a knock out, he was not in a good position and could not definitively say it was a knock on. Need to stop these bs rules regarding when tries can referred.

 

[Cardiffblue]

Didnt cost them. They scored straight after.

BTW score should read Cardiff 27 Scotland 13 since Blues scored all the points

Ref nearly totally destroyed the game today. I'm pleased that both sides could raise themselves up above the debacle the breakdown became.

Anyone on their feet competing for the ball was ignored. Anyone coming into the ruck off their feet and killing ball was ignored. Utterly shocking refereeing and I hope whoever does the refereeing assessment tells it as it is.

walsh to ref the england game. Can't be worse

 

[qwerty51]

I didn't mean it cost them to game but it cost them a try. It's irrelvant if they scored after, it's another decision should've been made with more precise given there was a try involved. What if there were down by 4 in the last minute? Context should not matter and because of it it will be overlooked again. Referee needs to explain himself.

 

[the plastic paddy]

Didnt cost them. They scored straight after.

BTW score should read Cardiff 27 Scotland 13 since Blues scored all the points

Ref nearly totally destroyed the game today. I'm pleased that both sides could raise themselves up above the debacle the breakdown became.

Anyone on their feet competing for the ball was ignored. Anyone coming into the ruck off their feet and killing ball was ignored. Utterly shocking refereeing and I hope whoever does the refereeing assessment tells it as it is.

walsh to ref the england game. Can't be worse

And the Welsh backline permanently offside. Poite is shite!!

 

[the plastic paddy]

Dai Bando:

This is the second week in a row where the English scrum stands up when u takes pressure and the refs let them get away with it.

Italy are a good 10 away from being more than competitive. They would be a totally different team with a ten that can take command. Their forwards deliver good pill but their tens just bugger it up all day.

Hartley does it all season for Northampton Saints.

 

[the plastic paddy]

Wales were still too good and won 27-13. It was 3-3 at oranges but Scotland blundered with the 2nd half kick off and Wales scored soon after. Then Scotland shot themselves in the foot with 2 yellow cards and Wales took their chances.

Poite is one of my favourite referees but didn't have his best game. He adjudged a Scotland pass to be knocked on but it wasn't and the subsequent "try" was disallowed. That was of no great importance as Scotland scored not longer after, but it raised the question, again, of the use of the TMO.

As yours truly has said several times on the forum: the IRB should trial the TMO system that France uses for their domestic competitions. There the TMO can be used to judge matters before the goal line after a try has been "scored": knocks on or matters like obstruction can be judged. It is not used as much as one would think; so there is not much downside of time wasting.

Poite would have invoked the use of the TMO on the occasion mentioned, and the try would have been awarded.
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Poite is a terrible ref, sorry to disagree with you Lee Grant but he is truely terrible. his reffing of the scrum and breakdown is a complete joke allowing binds all over the place and has he ever been heard to ask the tacklers to roll away?

 

[Bardon]

Decision on the try didn't affect the final outcome, Wales would have won anyway. But Refs should be performing better.

Wales are still looking really good, if I was Welsh I wouldn't want the 2 week break with them in such good form.

 

[Bardon]

I agree with you Lee on the expansion of the TMO's role. But it raises a new problem. Giving more power to the TMO means that even more of the major decisions will be taken out of the hands of the referee. We already see timidity in some refs who go to the TMO on tries that anyone can see are fine. The Ref is the most experienced official so he should be making the big calls.

I don't want to see a situation like american football where play is stopped every 30 seconds for a TMO referral. I'm not against the expansion of the role of the TMO, I support it in the situations you're talking about. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the TMO should be a tool to aide the ref rather than a replacement for him.

 

[Cardiffblue]

Decision on the try didn't affect the final outcome, Wales would have won anyway. But Refs should be performing better.

Wales are still looking really good, if I was Welsh I wouldn't want the 2 week break with them in such good form.

think we need it. I want warburton fully fit, Plus the break gives AWJ another week and although Gogzilla North is tweeting away that injury is minor a week of treatment will ensure he is right. Much prefer 1/2penny at full back than wing

 

[Lee Grant]

I don't want to see a situation like american football where play is stopped every 30 seconds for a TMO referral. I'm not against the expansion of the role of the TMO, I support it in the situations you're talking about. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the TMO should be a tool to aide the ref rather than a replacement for him.

I like the operation of it in practice in the Top14. You can watch a couple of games a week, as we get here on Oz TV, and not realise that France has dispensation to use the TMO in that way because it isn't used a lot. The time wasting is minimal. If international refs use it in the same manner as in France the net effect between getting a better decision and the extra waiting time will be a plus IMO.

I would appreciate seeing opinions to the contrary from those who watch the Top14 on a regular basis.

 

[Blue]

I don't want to see a situation like american football where play is stopped every 30 seconds for a TMO referral. I'm not against the expansion of the role of the TMO, I support it in the situations you're talking about. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the TMO should be a tool to aide the ref rather than a replacement for him.

Football stops because they need to show tv ads.

Thy have started to introduce more reviews because of that reason. They have the time.

Agree with Lee that the impact will be minimal.

 

[Ruggo]

Watching the Scots is enough to want to make you pull your hair out. I have a soft spot for them and see a lot of enterprise in what they are trying to acheive on the park but the basic skill level can only remind you of a struggling club side. What they do well is hit the line at pace and only if they could hold onto the ball.

In the six nations the teams I like are the Scots and Welsh. Thank god the Welsh are on fire.

 

[Cardiffblue]

Watching the Scots is enough to want to make you pull your hair out. I have a soft spot for them and see a lot of enterprise in what they are trying to acheive on the park but the basic skill level can only remind you of a struggling club side. What they do well is hit the line at pace and only if they could hold onto the ball.

In the six nations the teams I like are the Scots and Welsh. Thank god the Welsh are on fire.

Thank god indeed. Otherwise the only unbeaten team would be the Saes kings of the charge down

BTW thought there might be an issue regarding releasing players for the rescheduled France Ireland fixture.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/France-irlande-ca-negocie/263142

According to this the federations and 6N are entering some tough negotiations with no decision likely anytime soon. Even mentions September (hope this is tongue in cheek).

Then apparently spectators at Saturday's debacle are expected to have kept their tickets. How many of them are going to have lost em or chucked em in the bin. This has all the hallmarks of a complete fiasco.

 

[the plastic paddy]

Decision on the try didn't affect the final outcome, Wales would have won anyway. But Refs should be performing better.

Wales are still looking really good, if I was Welsh I wouldn't want the 2 week break with them in such good form.

Particularly as Phillips will be playing for bayonne this weekend.

 

[Lee Grant]

I recall something similar about 10 years ago when there was an outbreak of foot and mouth disease. Ireland had to play its last 3 games in the autumn, in the new season.

I remember the last one, against England in Ireland. England was on a Grand Slam but Ireland beat them.

That has nothing to do with people having to keep tickets in 2012? Right - as you were then.

 

[Bardon]

Yes Lee it was the 2001 6Ns and here in Ireland it's viewed as the slam that got away. Before the postponements we had already beaten Italy and more importantly France. Then in the first Autumn game we lost to heavily to Scotland before beating Wales and England.