2010 Wallabies End of Year Tour (EOYT)
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Andrew Slack (58)
Fatprop do you seriously think Deans will drop Gits? I mean he has to but the media will go nanas.
Turner to me is the best backup at 13. I know he hasn't played there much but he is starting to become a very astute footballer so from all the options he would be my go. I really think Deans must stick with Turner who will get better and better if he gets consistent test minutes. Better option than Finger at 13 who for my money is a good Super Rugby player at 12 but definitely doesn't fill me with confidence as a test 13.
Turner to me is the best backup at 13. I know he hasn't played there much but he is starting to become a very astute footballer so from all the options he would be my go. I really think Deans must stick with Turner who will get better and better if he gets consistent test minutes. Better option than Finger at 13 who for my money is a good Super Rugby player at 12 but definitely doesn't fill me with confidence as a test 13.
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John Solomon (38)
I'd say McCabe is in the squad as the cover 13, can't see him leapfrogging Turner, Mitchell, JOC (James O'Connor), Davies or Hynes on the wing, so that would be the justification for his touring inclusion in my mind
I would, one guy went on holidays after playing pretty averagely while his back up player went and played club rugby very well, leading his his side to another finals win kicking goals from everywhere.
I know which one I would reward
I had O'Conner down, but Turner can cover 15,14 and at a pinch 13. JOC (James O'Connor) 12, 14 & 15. But McCabe wouldn't let anyone down as well.
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Alfred Walker (16)
I reckon it's important for the team to just win some games, even if there are no trophies on offer.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Fatprop - interesting what you said about Barnes and I agree, I didn't realise he was that active in Sydney Club rugby! Giteau does tend to run away at the thought of having to play more rugby than he has to. Barnes is thinking RWC 2011 selection, Giteau is not.
And with regards to Van Humphries being selected, I honestly think it is an indication for Robbie's 2011 RWC plans - he is going to probably have another good season with the Reds and is going to be there or there abouts for Wallaby selection come 2011. Get him into the Wallaby program now so he is more familiar and confident about his place should he be selected in 2011. This is also why some one like Baxter has not been selected - he is very familiar with the Wallaby program and will be called on if the situation is appropiate come 2011 RWC.
At the end of the day: QLD 1 - NSW 0 is all I'm sayin'
And with regards to Van Humphries being selected, I honestly think it is an indication for Robbie's 2011 RWC plans - he is going to probably have another good season with the Reds and is going to be there or there abouts for Wallaby selection come 2011. Get him into the Wallaby program now so he is more familiar and confident about his place should he be selected in 2011. This is also why some one like Baxter has not been selected - he is very familiar with the Wallaby program and will be called on if the situation is appropiate come 2011 RWC.
At the end of the day: QLD 1 - NSW 0 is all I'm sayin'
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Bob Davidson (42)
And look at those who missed out on the final squad from the initial squad:
Matt To'omua - likes to fracture his face instead of playing rugby
Mitchell Chapman - bit shit
Nathan Charles - have no idea who he is so probably a bit shit
Brackin Karauria-Henry - bit shit
Dave Dennis - bit shit
Kane Douglas - in the same position as Hockings and Wykes in their first season of Super rugby and look at them now - nobodies
Pat O’Connor - went to school with this guy, has played 1 Super game probably woopdidoo
Richard Kingi - a miniture quade cooper without the long pass and 0 experience and game time
Sekope Kepu - bit shit
Compare those guys with Van Humphries: Inspirational, experienced line out leader who had a better Super 14 season than all of the above mentioned names, composes great game winning speeches, fierce, can stare down a bear, can get a job done, we have a lack of decent locks, loves to play rugby instead of being shit, etc etc. I rest my case sir!
Now can you see why Van the Man was selected?
Matt To'omua - likes to fracture his face instead of playing rugby
Mitchell Chapman - bit shit
Nathan Charles - have no idea who he is so probably a bit shit
Brackin Karauria-Henry - bit shit
Dave Dennis - bit shit
Kane Douglas - in the same position as Hockings and Wykes in their first season of Super rugby and look at them now - nobodies
Pat O’Connor - went to school with this guy, has played 1 Super game probably woopdidoo
Richard Kingi - a miniture quade cooper without the long pass and 0 experience and game time
Sekope Kepu - bit shit
Compare those guys with Van Humphries: Inspirational, experienced line out leader who had a better Super 14 season than all of the above mentioned names, composes great game winning speeches, fierce, can stare down a bear, can get a job done, we have a lack of decent locks, loves to play rugby instead of being shit, etc etc. I rest my case sir!
Now can you see why Van the Man was selected?
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Bob Davidson (42)
Didn't know I was. Just trying to create a new perspective on the situation.
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I don't necessarily agree with all of this, but I wouldn't mind Robbie being that concise and honest sometimes.
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
Putting Reddy!'s astute analysis aside for a moment, I think Robbie Deans has been a gift to this forum:
The guy has never really explained his selections (if he has ever explained his selection philosophy, I'm pretty sure nobody understood it anyway) so most of the discussion is assumptions based on the selections, and what we know of the players.
The problem is that there is no consistency in selections when considered from the perspective of: s14 or test form, potential talent, test experience, s14 experience, preparing for the RWC, trying to win every match, resting injured players, selection consistency.
This means that many of the individual selections can be justified using one of the justifications above (but rarely all of them), but as a team or squad no unified or consistent plan seems to be in place. So we have Van Humphries over Douglas (which I happen agree with), Huia Edmonds over, well, anyone else, and Baxter, Weekes and Kepu left behind with Daley (recall head up bum grass munching), Slipper and Ma'afu in the squad.
By the end, the consensus tends to be 'this makes no sense...but maybe Robbie knows something we don't' - Well we certainly hope he does, despite the evidence (results) to the contrary.
For what it is worth, the only changes I expect we will see in the starting XV will be Alexander in for Ma'afu (surely), and maybe Mitchell in for Turner (there is no way JO'C will be dropped as Robbie has a serious hard on for him).
How much rugby has Hynes played lately? I can't see him being put back into the test side any time soon if he hasn't been playing much (although stranger things have happened).
The guy has never really explained his selections (if he has ever explained his selection philosophy, I'm pretty sure nobody understood it anyway) so most of the discussion is assumptions based on the selections, and what we know of the players.
The problem is that there is no consistency in selections when considered from the perspective of: s14 or test form, potential talent, test experience, s14 experience, preparing for the RWC, trying to win every match, resting injured players, selection consistency.
This means that many of the individual selections can be justified using one of the justifications above (but rarely all of them), but as a team or squad no unified or consistent plan seems to be in place. So we have Van Humphries over Douglas (which I happen agree with), Huia Edmonds over, well, anyone else, and Baxter, Weekes and Kepu left behind with Daley (recall head up bum grass munching), Slipper and Ma'afu in the squad.
By the end, the consensus tends to be 'this makes no sense...but maybe Robbie knows something we don't' - Well we certainly hope he does, despite the evidence (results) to the contrary.
For what it is worth, the only changes I expect we will see in the starting XV will be Alexander in for Ma'afu (surely), and maybe Mitchell in for Turner (there is no way JO'C will be dropped as Robbie has a serious hard on for him).
How much rugby has Hynes played lately? I can't see him being put back into the test side any time soon if he hasn't been playing much (although stranger things have happened).
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
He was never in contention for the RWC squad that year... not with Vickerman, Sharpe, Chisholm's superb S14 that year, and McMenimum all there...
your belief doesn't change what I just stated however.
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John Solomon (38)
He was too old.
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