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but how many tackles did he make??? ;)

interesting point you make about customers v participants. i remember a guy i knew once, who had played at first grade level, saying he hated going to watch Super Rugby or test rugby because there were too many people in the stands that hadn't played the game!

my favourite option is actually to run trans tasman but oz states (4 teams or 5) and nz provinces (7 top NPC teams). diluting their talent might even the comp. plus it would mean more games on TV at the right time. and i think the NZ component would attract foreign broadcast money. and travel...

Gnostic - no i dont accept the fundamental talent is less. but i accept everything else you have written - this is the "institutionally entrenched" i was referring to. i am resigned to it being entrenched for decades to come, just as it has been in place for decades. To quote Horne: ... a...

Cyclo - i'm not criticising at all. i'm genuinely interested in what people think that threshold is. i totally accept your point that reverting to a domestic comp could well mean only semi-pro status and a much reduced status for the Test team. i dont think you are an apologist for anyone...

Unpopular Opinion Warning Playing NZ teams so often is bad for Australian Rugby. For fans, following Australian rugby has become about accepting losing... losing often. You can debate all you want about whose fault it is, but the simple fact is the talent gulf is massive and...

Cyclopath, so accepting that i'm wrong on the Wallabies thing, I ask you the question - how few viewers or live punters at games are you willing to accept to continue supporting Wallabies players as they are now? are 10k viewers/5k punters per Super Rugby game ok just as long as offshore broadcast...

interesting to see that Kiwis think turning back the clock has fixed it http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12029868 and now all they are worried about is injuries sustained in all these local derbies (i just love the thinly veiled arrogance and superiority in...

this concept of losing wallabies to OS intrigues me. i get that the current established wallabies might go, but at some point they will retire - and the next wave will still need to hit the 60 test eligibility.... so it might hurt in short term but would even out in time.

Half. i like that model (of course i'd say that as i wrote something similar a few pages back). Imagine after the new July Test window we got into 3 weeks of state v state stuff. that's when you could potentially go back to larger stadiums. the one thing in this style of model for me is...

You know for fact “there is absolutely no appetite beyond a few hardcore supporters for this”?? How would you know this? We’ve never had a domestic pro comp playing in the “footy zone” being March to Sept in oz, and which has no competitor comp. The NRC cannot be used as a comparison for...

"showing up"- its the key mystery isn't it. if 'they' wont show up for Super Rugby and its believed that 'they' wont show up for a new domestic comp, you have to ask do 'they' exist at all? has rugby so lost its audience that decent crowds and viewership numbers cant be re-established. because that's...

My question on offshore broadcast dollars is this - how few viewers or live punters still justifies making a product for international audiences? Are we happy with sub-10k crowds and sub 50k viewers as long as the money keeps coming from offshore? What about 5k crowds and 29k viewers like the...

the other big unknown is what would NZ do if we walked. i do like a trans tasman comp to replace Super Rugby - but NZ would revert to provinces and bring in their top 7 provinces vs our 4/5 teams. this would mean nz talent is more diluted and make out teams more competitive. talent equalisation is a...

Braveheart81 - yeah it’s hard to know how much will be lost from offshore broadcast rights. It’s a difficult problem to solve. But the long term trajectory has been downward and cutting the Force hasn’t changed that. We might wonder who would some new team, but we can equally start to wonder...

B'heart - yep i get that side of the argument - but what have the Tahs delivered in fans and TV viewers with 15 years practice? are these brands really worth that much?? is it the team brands or the comp? it might be that those brands need a new comp. it might also be that those brands have...

Yes expecting fans to move across is an assumption - but lets look at it this way ... the current teams aren't shooting the lights out with drawing crowds or engaging fans... in all this, there is risk involved. and yes, the pool of test players playing in Oz might be smaller as some look to...

I’m on the other side of the fence regarding Reds Tahs etc. It just feels illogical to have a state team and then other teams from a region within that state. I’d love to see those Brands utilised for event games - one offs vs each other, or vs touring test teams or invited OS provincial teams...

RE why NRC when it appears no one really follows it. NRC largely sits outside the normal window for Australian domestic footy leagues I.e. March to Sept It asks fans to commit to a second domestic team in the same calendar year. It lags Super Rugby by some 15 years of history. If NRC style comp...

I reckon in Qld you could do worse than to set up a Brisbane team and a Logan team (trying to avoid using Prem team name of Sunnybank). The only problem there is where would they play.