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its the catch 22 of Australian rugby, we can't outrate a crappy sitcom on a secondary TV channel, yet lets start planning to win the 2023 World Cup.

Australian rugby should be careful though if it kicks the can down the road much further it may end up disappearing down a massive black hole.

But you wouldn't be starting with all new teams with a domestic option, you have 5 established teams already.

Yes, there would be separate broadcast deals and I doubt if the kiwis would be interested in a 6th team anyway, but Foxtel & Sky need content, with all teams involved in a champions league at the culmination of the domestic component. I think it overall would be more attractive for the...

Maybe it could work, but the Kiwis would have to accept the competition as a stand alone professional competition with equalization that would bring, and I'm just not convinced they will, but looks like its what we're gonna get so I hope your right.

So how do you think the Kiwis with All Blacks as the prime driver are going to treat a TT comp any differently than Super rugby, My comparison with the AFL/NRL is because they are our competition for eyeballs. Okay fill your Aus teams with 60-70% Kiwis if they let you, or a bunch of...

If theirs fuck all value in a champions league, then there'd be fuck all value in TT competition.

I hear what your saying, but I dis-agree that a TT will give you a better long term viable option. Short Term Yes, but just as Super rugby did, it prevented any genuine long term planning. A 12 week domestic competition can be followed by a champions league style comp with potentially...

But is that really the best way forward for Australia. If some PE can be encouraged, what if both NZ & Aus run with 6 team individual domestic competitions. That gives you 6 games a week for broadcasters, plus the added advantage of a champions league at the end of each countries domestic...

20 Years of Super Rugby in Australia proved what damage can be done to a sporting code, when the competitions prime objective is supporting the International game, especially unlike NZ with the All Blacks the code is not top dog in your own back-garden. Super Rugby competed against AFL/NRL...

If you go with a TT competition, you still have many of the structural issues that plagued Super Rugby, what is good for NZ rugby does not necessary flow onto Australia. With separate domestic competitions much of those differences can be catered for without affecting each-other negatively...

Will NZ allow there players to ply there trade with the Aus franchises and visa/versa, if not you end up with 5 NZ teams and 5 Aus teams half filled with professional journeymen, you also then have to justify spending money on overseas players against locals.

I don't know I buy that, I think a few things need to be considered. Rugby is the biggest game in town in NZ, do they not have faith in there market. Will the Phoenix or Warriors really have that much affect on crowd/fan support, I agree that right now we're in a honeymoon period, but to me the...

That would be my preference as well, we run our domestic competition along the same time frame as the Kiwi's and look at some form of crossover (champ league style). The advantage of this would at last be some sort of independence, we can finally structure the comp along lines that would work...

Sort of contradicting myself, but just looking at some Kiwi press re; Super Aotearoa, its ticking a lot of boxes with fans, crowds and viewing numbers (and shit the rugby's bloody good) and with a 5 team comp, it does allow for regular bye's alleviating some of the burnout/injury concerns held...

The thing is we're only a step or two away from that worst case scenario, especially as they have already stated they are going to ring fence the Wallabies, you end up going down to 2 at most 3 professional teams. With the top 20/25 players getting Wallaby top ups, 3 teams would suit a NZ TT...

So who would have thought, connect to your grassroots strategy bloody amateurs o_O

listened the podcast, and my thoughts exactly.

Its also about Ego's, your dealing with people (wealthy) who support rugby that hopefully will be happy to piss up against the wall 2/4 $million a year.

But is it a good solution to tell the percentage of rugby supporters that want domestic content to go watch another sporting code.