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For all his criticism of neoclassical economics, Jnor, to my knowledge Frank is a believer in economic theory. I on the other hand regard it as a crock.

I think we are getting close to finding common ground. And, Groucho, my genuine and heart felt apology for comparing you to an economist. Physicists do have very high range analytical skills.

Genia said the Wallabies had tried to go wide without doing the hard work first. "We were getting a lot of momentum going directly through them and then when we tried to go wide we just were very lateral," he said. "We probably, in hindsight, should have just kept going through them...

No, Groucho, let's not leave that aside, because it is precisely the problem that was posed by doug. With this suggestion you remind me of economists - I used to be one - who assume away all the complexities to produce a solution reducible to a two dimensional diagram. And so you postulate...

Thanks, MrMouse. 300kg on the ScrumTruk is serious tin. The problem with a lot of good equipment is that people are not prepared to explore their limits. As you would know, simply working up a sweat in a gym achieves nothing. I am working my arse off to try to stop it being a secret weapon. I...

Thanks for the plug, Scarfie. Tommy has been working out on MyoQuip equipment since we tested our first prototype, "The Green Monster". Five years ago he did four reps in strict form with a load of 400kg on the ScrumTruk which was the precursor to the MyoTruk. No one else has ever come close to...

Other than Done that's contribution which I must confess I am still trying to get my head around, I fully agree with the above. The hit has destroyed much of the beauty of the scrum, particularly by encouraging a form of cheating that is unmanly. Backing off from the hit is rugby's equivalent of...

I can't comment on Rodney as I haven't seen him play for years, but based on the opinions of some of our members his manager must be a bloody good salesman.

I think Crouchback just reeled in a big one.

I'm not sure he'd be all that enthused about living in a nursing home, LG.

Good line.

I am sure it can be done, LG, but it takes leadership, time and a huge amount of effort. You would need a somewhat different model for each club to take advantage of their strengths and resources. Just to give you some indication of where the bar is now, over 50 Sydney Uni players, Grade and...

Is there any chance that the protagonists could agree to disagree? My reaction when I notice personal criticism taking over from vigorous debate is to move on to the next post. Just like in this case where I now have no idea what the boys are getting agitated over.

I am in agreement with you, Hornet, that the players you mention were outstanding scrummagers, but I think that reinforces my point. Over the decades, at a couple of points in time you had the coming together of players who had learnt and really respected the craft, but what about the long years...

Doesn't it say a lot about Australian scrummaging that we're still dining out on a single pushover try 26 years ago? Looking at the video of the match which is posted later in the thread, one thing that stands out was that the No. 8, Steve Tuynman, was not really giving much weight. His...

Point taken.

Why not, barbarian? The Dobber asked a specific question about "the Indigenous situation atm in Aus" to which Moses made a short, and in my opinion, appropriate response. In turn I made a two sentence comment. None of us were talking about "the indigenous situation in terms of rugby", but...

Isn't it a disgrace that those are the things that immediately come to mind on this situation, Moses? We should hang our heads in collective shame.

It certainly doesn't look as if they sent a cameraman from the Sports Department on that assignment, topo.

More like a proud parent's first attempt to use a new camcorder.