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  1. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    $$$$$;)
  2. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Changing the administrators without changing the structure of the game's administration is pointless.
  3. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Yes, as someone who is often been on the wrong end of the pro RA stuff, I've noticed the tenacity of the apologists. Must be great to have such little self-doubt that they can continue to argue a position which by any metric is failing miserably.
  4. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    As happens so often in life, those with vested interests in the status quo will do anything to preserve their position. Human nature dictates that many of those who rise to positions of power and privilege will do almost anything to stay there. Most people with a voice in the running of rugby...
  5. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But they're still costs to the competition and/or the competing teams. Nothing in life is free, for people (not you) to suggest otherwise is disengenuous.
  6. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Because none of us (I assume) work for RA and thus have access to all the necessary information, none of us can come up with a fully costed, fully detailed proposal which can answer every question. It's just not possible. All we can do is put forward suggestions in reasonably general terms. We...
  7. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    According to their own annual report, the Waratahs 2017 match day ticketing was $2,867,255 but in 2016 $3,787,835 even though revenue from membership went up from $269,655 to $320,735. However much as it may suit you to try and nitpick fine details here and there in an apparent effort to...
  8. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Do we know whether or not this covers the full cost of accomodation or just mates rates?
  9. Quick Hands

    NSW AAGPS 2018

    Not 100% sure about TAS. Possibly Grammar and High play TAS in Armidale in alternate years, but the rest of the TAS games are in Sydney every year (since 2017)
  10. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Qantas don't pay the accomodation do they? With the crowds that Super Rugby have been drawing, I don't actually think any Aussie Super Rugby franchise would be making much of a profit from 3 home games. EDIT:No, I said this I assume it would mean that Qantas give part of their sponsorship in cash and part...
  11. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Even as recently as 4 years ago, that quarter final would have drawn double the crowd. In fact, the 2014 semi against the Brumbies in Sydney drew 38,000. While you wouldn't expect a game against the Highlanders to reach that level, 25,000 is the pass mark for last Saturday IMO. It was the...
  12. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I know, this was my point. Qantas would be claiming the full value of cash and kind for tax or whatever purpose, but RA don't actually receive the full value in cash. I wouldn't expect Qantas to replace the flight value with cash - they would make that decision on a business case. RA would be...
  13. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I assume it would mean that Qantas give part of their sponsorship in cash and part in kind? In which case RA are effectively spending the money, but it's deducted from the total amount that Qantas give?
  14. Quick Hands

    NSW AAGPS 2018

    For 2017 and 2018, the season runs broadly as follows: 1st XV and 2nd XV - 6 teams Shore, Newington, Scots, Kings, Joeys and Riverview. They play each other once for the premiership, prior to which they played about 8 weeks of trials against a variety of schools (some GPS, some CAS and some...
  15. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Or something like this even. (from my post to Braveheart above) Another option which I'd consider would be 10 team competition involving the NRC 8, plus Sunwolves (in our timezone) and a combined Polynesian team playing out of western Sydney. An 18 week home and away competition, including...
  16. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I'm not contesting that wages are by far the biggest cost to teams. What I'm saying is that the cost of flying and accomodating squads of 30 plus players and support staff between Tokyo, South Africa, Australia, NZ and Argentina are reasonably significant and in terms of quantum, would probably...
  17. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Who's going to remove SA?
  18. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    If we truly want to grow the game in this country, then a domestic professional league is our only option. We have to find a way, some way, to make it work.
  19. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Then give some other options that aren't the super rugby model. If someone is able to provide a better model that me, I'm more than happy to acknowledge it and support. Nothing I suggest is set in stone and everything that I suggest needs to be costed. I've never said otherwise...
  20. Quick Hands

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Just so I don't misrepresent you, are you saying that 5 home games is financially unsustainable but 8 home games (i.e. and extra 3) is? Are you also saying that flying upwards of 30 people business class and accomodating them for 5-7 nights is "relatively small"? (relative to what?) EDIT: If...
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