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Jesus, this thread has just become tragic. I may need to drink myself to sleep. Again. It's just like when my wife makes me watch "An Affair to Remember" and Cary Grant confronts Deborah Kerr and finally realises she can't get up and.... Oops. Don't mind me.

Damn Fainga'a bias.

I can only speak for myself - I've had ample experience supporting the Brumbies and the Waratahs when the Reds were struggling with mediocrity and the large timber cooking implement. I latched on to any aus team like a limpet then....

From a completely selfish spectator point of view, if we only play 6N, 3N sides and RWCs we won't have much to watch after the end of the super season most years - even this year. Imagine if there were no Australian sides in the finals ::) I'd imagine Dingo is happy getting the chance to...

He's off to play with the frogs (Biarritz) in the Top 14 Duck L'Orange. I wonder how much we'll see of him. This seems to have turned into a Fantasy Rugby thread from the Trinations Squad, only not very fantastic.

I'd rather not see But then I think there is zero chance of doing so.

I can see where you're coming from, but IMO 9 is not the back to compromise. Look at the tests last year. The starting 9 was subbed with significant time left pretty often, as I recall, and it is the time where the match is there to be won or lost. Tests are faster and harder than super...

I wonder if it may not be better just to let Genia and Cooper run at 9 and 10 and find some combination (again) with however fills the centres - I would think Giteau at 12 and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) or maybe McCabe at 13. They will want to hit the ground running for the trinations.

What got me about Holmes was not just that he was slow to fish the ball out and move it on, it was that he looked so casual that I was convinced that he wasn't even trying to be brisk. Is this a symptom of not playing a lot of 9 recently?

I thought the uncertainty at 10 with Barnes, Beale and Hangers stymied any consistent structure/combinations in the backline, and only encouraged the grinding approach that helped precipitate the angst mid year. It also meant that none of them were (Beale/Barnes/Hangers) found form at 10 and the...

Yup. They started well and to lose to the crusaders is an understandable setback. The cheetahs were the oh no moment. The last few weeks or even almost the second half of the season have been so injury cursed that building to anything has been impossible.

Yeah, sorry, edited it straight away.

I guess my simple intellect struggles with the concept of cheering for Beale, Robinson, TPN, for AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Moore and even Giteau, for Sharpe, Pocock, O'Connor as wallabies and then turning around and not supporting them in super rugby. I identify the super sides with their players. Not their...

pfft, I mean waratah level break down, not some crapulent rolled ankle.

Sharpe would have to break down, I think.

I was disappointed in the lack of monkey cloud action from TC after his try. I felt it robbed the occasion of some of it's magic.

Whoa - Foley!

Ali Williams doesn't score as many tries as you might expect, considering his seagulling.

OK< this is just becoming ridiculous. How many waratahs can get broken in a season?

Looks like Vicks will be right for suncorp next week