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  1. Quick Hands

    The Israel Folau saga

    One thing that I have found odd is that RA seem to have given permission for just about everyone to have their say in the media fro Cheika down. Not sure if it helps their case or not. I'd have thought that the prudent thing to do with legal procedings underway would be to say that only Cameron...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    You're the one who doesn't get it. As Raelene has observed, this is about employment rights. RA can't just terminate a contract unless they are justified under law to do so. We still have laws governing employee rights in this country. So the questions are: Has Folau broken his contract...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    You realise that you've done exactly what Folau did? - you've posted a quotation from a Holy Book. And you probably have more chance of reaching people likely to be offended by that quote than Folau did as from what I gather his followers are by and large religious people who would agree with...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    We were talking code of conduct breaches not PR. You're first sentence is a misrepresentation of events.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    All had more than a few chances/code of conduct breaches.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    One warning for a code of conduct breach and then you're out of the game? Karmichael Hunt, James Slipper, James O'Connor, Danny Cipriani, Kurtley Beale, Digby Ioane, should I go on?
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    The Israel Folau saga

    But does the code cover the posting of something on social media, where the person making the post isn't claiming to be speaking on behalf of the game of rugby or any rugby club or organisation, isn't at any rugby related event, isn't wearing any clothing or items which could give the impression...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    To present the counter-argument. He may well say, I offered to walk away a year ago if you wanted me to but you signed me anyway to a four year contract knowing my beliefs. This current dispute means that I would find it much harder to get a contract playing rugby anywhere else. We may have...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    But people who don't think that homosexuality is a sin wouldn't believe that a life of eternal damnation awaits? Most atheists that I know think that there's nothing after this life - hell, heaven or anything in between. Youth suicide and suicide in general is a serious and complex topic and...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    What a ridiculous post. For someone so concerned about offensive social media posts, you don't see the irony in this post of yours? By the way, you have the right to say it. You see, defending people's rights also means defending the rights of people that you disagree with and/or people...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    FitzSimons makes little sense about most subjects.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    He's just stating what he believes to be the case according to the Christian religion. He says that his sentiment is to save people from hell. Presumably those who don't accept that homosexuality is a sin and those who don't believe in the existance of hell would be unconcerned about what he...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    You think that employees have no rights when summarily dismissed? Luckily we have contract law and employment law in this country.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    You do realise that in this particular instance that Folau didn't call people names along the lines you are suggesting? Had he used derogatory terms then this post would make some sense.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    And I do wonder how many people in the groups identified as being bound for hell actually follow or read any of Folau's postings. For all I know there could be all sorts of insulting and offensive posts about me on twitter, instagram, facebook et al, but as I don't subscribe to any of them I am...
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    Rugby World Cup 2019

    Japan kick off the tournament as hosts with a game they should win, and three very significant games on the Saturday re QF positions Sat Sept 21, 16:45: Australia v Fiji, Sapporo Dome (pool D) Sat Sept 21, 19:15: France v Argentina, Tokyo Stadium (pool C) Sat Sept 21, 21:45: New Zealand v...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    He wouldn't be the first to place his religious beliefs higher than a game. Michael Jones used to refuse to play on a Sunday (including for the All Blacks), Terry Curley retired from playing to pursue a religious life despite being a Wallaby at the time. They are just two I can think of. I'm...
  18. Quick Hands

    The Israel Folau saga

    Although "they" are in fact "us" by virtue of being born in Australia - Folau being born in Minto for example. Many of the rugby players of PI heritage are in fact Australians by birth.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    If anything, it should serve as a lesson that twitter or instagram or whatever aren't the places to be discussing topics which are highly complex and require careful language. His rugby career is now in the hands of a code of conduct tribunal, should he wish to contest the decision of RA...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Well I'm not quite sure how the passage you quoted makes him out to be a hero. It's nothing more than a statement of fact based on the available evidence. he truly believes what he is saying and is willing to accept the consequences
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