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  1. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    They funded 5 teams in the previous broadcast deal (Super 15) on way less revenue, so it's not like they can't fund 5 teams. And last year they made a $3 million profit despite having to bail out the Force. The problem has been that they've had to spend so much in addition to what they'd...
  2. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Who cares how it looks. If it's the right call they should make it. And the ARU worrying about looking bad would be like a man covered in mud worried about stepping on some dirt.
  3. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I think there's a few things. From a participation perspective it's the position for all shapes and sizes. There's also an attractive culture of sportsmanship and camaraderie that doesn't always exist in other sports to the same extent. Things like respect for the referee and your opponents and...
  4. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But is this because people don't care about the teams or because they're so fed up with everything external to the teams? Crowds and ratings are down across the board, I don't think it's because everyone who likes the sport of rugby suddenly stopped liking it. The Force were dead in the...
  5. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Well it could be like when Coca Cola changed their formula due to blind taste test research, only to piss off their loyal customers so much they were getting thousands of complaints every day and their sales tanked. So they backflipped, reintroduced their 'classic' coke and boosted sales above...
  6. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    SANZAAR can't do anything without the ARU going along with it so if new information changes the ARU's preference then SANZAAR would have to find a new solution, right? Is the Force raising $8 million or more (presuming they do) and Cox not willing to sell, and both franchises having strong...
  7. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Why would the SARU have to renege on dropping teams? If it becomes clear that cutting a team will cost more than it's worth for the ARU, or if new information makes it apparent their projections around financial stability were too pessimistic, then they still have the ability to veto cutting a...
  8. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I think it's something that would sound decent in a boardroom presentation, and looks good to neutrals, but ultimately probably wouldn't work as it just ends up alienating two sets of fans. Hopefully with this added support behind the Force and with Cox holding his ground the ARU have no...
  9. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Depends on the objective of such a competition. Is it to continue to keep the top Australian players based domestically so that the Wallabies selection policy can remain the same? Or would it be better to let the Wallabies be picked from anywhere and focus on building a domestic competition...
  10. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    It doesn't close until July, so if they're already somewhere near $5 million in the next couple of weeks you'd think they'll push a fair bit over 5 by the time it closes. But I basically agree they need to get closer to 10 to really make a sustainable difference. That would hopefully allow them...
  11. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    If you take AFC Wimbledon as a continuation of Wimbledon FC, which for the fans it was, then it did pivot under the pressure of ceasing to exist. I guess you could say it's like a hybrid of an old club and a new one. But the age of the club after a certain point is to me a little pedantic...
  12. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I think you're being a little pedantic amirite. You might not get an example that is exactly the same as the Force, but there are many on that list of teams that were struggling financially who have been saved by the fan ownership model. AFC Wimbledon for one is an example of an even tougher...
  13. Omar Comin'

    Western Force 2017

    It's great to see the OwnTheForce campaign getting traction. Couple of questions on it. Are individual companies supporting this or being urged to support it as well? I'm thinking if the companies who forked out $50,000 for individual jersey sponsorships a couple of years ago all bought 50...
  14. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The question is, why is that? I would argue it's at least in part due to a lack of reach. In places where rugby has a decent professional presence it holds its own with other codes. Rugby is just as popular in Canberra as rugby league, it's generally just as popular in the north shore and...
  15. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The biggest long term question marks are on Super Rugby continuing to exist as a multi-continental sporting league. The Force have existed for 12 years and needed propping up one time. Other teams when in trouble have been given additional handouts for nothing, while the Force had to sell...
  16. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Super Rugby is already a loss making venture for the ARU (and I believe all the unions). But what if it's a separate stand alone conference within Super Rugby? Where say 2 of the teams in our 6 team conference make the playoffs with the top 6 from the NZ + SA + Jaguares conference?
  17. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    There are clubs who've started their existence with the fan ownership model. There's even a lower league Japanese football club that started in 2014 that's funded by online subscribers! But if you read through that wiki article you'll see there's teams using this model (or similar) of all kinds...
  18. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    There are many, many other successful examples on a smaller scale than Barcelona and Green Bay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fan-owned_sports_teams Agreed the Cameron Clyne interview was appalling, but it's definitely worth listening to Jones's interview with the President of...
  19. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Hi Poidevinfan, good first post though I disagree with you on some things. Just wanted to respond to this part as while I agree with your underlying point I would say it's not necessarily the national team, but top end sport in general that inspires kids to play. National team success may be...
  20. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The President of WA Rugby Hans Sauer spoke to Alan Jones yesterday as well. It's very insightful: http://www.2gb.com/podcast/hans-sauer/ He seems confident of raising around $7 million in the OwnTheForce campaign. If this is true, maybe the better solution to cutting a team would have been to...
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