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Sydney Subbies 2025

Pfitzy

Phil Waugh (73)
Im no barrister but the question becomes are we comfortable we have alignment between clubs, who as you say has its first priority as player welfare, squaring off against an administrative body, a body that imposes penalties on those same clubs should they act to protect those players by forfeiting.

We should be open minded enough to review Competition Rules if and when they need to change. There was a period during COVID where Subbies didn't enforce forfeit penalties, as one example.

Unfortunately, a lot of rules exist for situations like Odyssey describes above: people trying to get around fair play in the first place.

At the same time, we've got people howling that Subbies didn't follow CC for promotion and relegation.

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Heavyd

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I don’t think anyone is saying forfeits shouldn’t be allowed in that situation. That’s exactly what they are there for. But there still needs to be a punishment/deterrent.
Otherwise you’ll see clubs tactically forfeiting to avoid playing a “strong” club or a tough road trip. Imagine if over the last few years clubs went we aren’t going travel out to Newport or mountains cause we are likely to get beaten, let’s regroup and go again the following week. Newport miss a bunch of games leading into finals it’s a lot harder to keep that continuity going.
Have those scenarios ever really happened? In my experience Clubs do everything they can to avoid forefeits, they call on old players, ask current club legends to double up. Then if they still can’t make the numbers work they bite the bullet. I’ve never heard of a club saying I can’t be farked going to whoop whoop lets forfeit. There are a lot of forefeits across multiple comps this weekend. I would bet none of them are “tactical” and all decisions have been agonised over before being made after trying everything to avoid them.

anyways. Go the Wallabies!!
 

Odyssey_Park the 2nd

Fred Wood (13)
Have those scenarios ever really happened? In my experience Clubs do everything they can to avoid forefeits, they call on old players, ask current club legends to double up. Then if they still can’t make the numbers work they bite the bullet. I’ve never heard of a club saying I can’t be farked going to whoop whoop lets forfeit. There are a lot of forefeits across multiple comps this weekend. I would bet none of them are “tactical” and all decisions have been agonised over before being made after trying everything to avoid them.

anyways. Go the Wallabies!!
We’ve had the rules around forfeits and loosing points in for the 20 odd years I’ve been involved in Subbies. Are they the deterrent or it clubs choosing to do the “right” thing?
Yes I have seen a team choose to forfeit rather then play when the result didn’t affect them.
We say no one would bother stacking teams going into finals yet in a couple of weeks I guarantee there will be a bunch of posts here about it happening.
Clubs are always looking for that loophole to give them a jump on the rest of the teams. Hence why we have rules to discourage it.
 

John S

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong-il… Green & Gold? All masters of censorship.

G&G Mod Squad (average age: 68) rolls in like the KGB with clipboards, banning posts faster than their beloved Barker Old Boys feel from grace.

They run the place like it’s a Cold War bunker. Dissent? Censored. Sarcasm? “Inappropriate tone.” Banter? Only if you’re one of the fossils. These blokes fear memes more than a Teals Candidate.

At this rate, I expect to see mandatory loyalty oaths to the committee and a Gulag to be set up at Porters Oval.

If I wanted to live under a regime where free speech is crushed and satire is banned, I’d join the local Mixed Netball club and hang out with a few Karens. But here? We heckle, we roast, we call it like we see it—and we drink about it later.

Rugby is about passion, not propaganda. Let the people post!

#NewportMinistryOfTruth #CensorshipDoesntWinComps #StopTheCensorshipScrum
Gee, that escalated quickly.
 

Here To Do

Sydney Middleton (9)
Apparently not a single full game of Subbies after 11am got streamed today. "Major technical issues" on a level I've not seen since Optus or CrowdStrike.

Shame since there were some classics at Hudson in the latest derby...
 

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Pfitzy

Phil Waugh (73)
TBH it is a bit hard for clubs to find the $2500-$4000 to start with, then ask players, friends and family to fork out their hard-earned, when these things keep happening.

We've had whole games go missing, techs turn up to the wrong field, and even a guy running late one week.
 

Footyhead67

Frank Nicholson (4)
TBH it is a bit hard for clubs to find the $2500-$4000 to start with, then ask players, friends and family to fork out their hard-earned, when these things keep happening.
Every time I log into NSW Rugby TV I always get a message saying my login may have appeared in a data leak, cause my code and account has been given out to a few people.
 

Here To Do

Sydney Middleton (9)
TBH it is a bit hard for clubs to find the $2500-$4000 to start with, then ask players, friends and family to fork out their hard-earned, when these things keep happening.

We've had whole games go missing, techs turn up to the wrong field, and even a guy running late one week.
I feel you mate - in fairness to them, I've quantified the gear in a normal setup from past experiences and you're looking about $5-10K upfront, plus operator costs, plus subscriptions to things like the score graphics and even the stream bonding for reliability (hold your laughter if you've never tried to stream from a mobile hotspot). It isn't cheap and, yes, while you can spread the costs across multiple games, it's a massive investment for relatively small return.

That said, I have to say that there have been more issues this season than I can recall since we got on in 2021. The stream setup in the back-end seems to be a bespoke setup compared to 2020-2024, primarily using LIGR graphics and pretty standard front-end web stuff. This year, they seem to have taken a lot in-house, I assume, to save on costs. Unfortunately, the scalability and reliability has suffered.

Remember, if this mob don't stream our games, we probably go back to being just in the park on Saturday. Horses for courses, I guess.
SA Rugby union had the same issue can confirm.
Yep - all the graphics will be done live in the cloud. No stream = no graphics unless you edit them in yourself. Guess what I get to do this evening and probably most of tomorrow for our club?
 

Pfitzy

Phil Waugh (73)
in fairness to them, I've quantified the gear in a normal setup from past experiences and you're looking about $5-10K upfront, plus operator costs, plus subscriptions to things like the score graphics and even the stream bonding for reliability (hold your laughter if you've never tried to stream from a mobile hotspot)

I get all that. To run anything like it would be impossible for my club.

The fact remains that is the price they asked, it breaks way too often, wasn't working smoothly for the first half of the year, and many people are out of pocket.

If the asking price needs to go up, that's something to consider. It would want to come with better SLAs as a result.
 

Here To Do

Sydney Middleton (9)
I get all that. To run anything like it would be impossible for my club.

The fact remains that is the price they asked, it breaks way too often, wasn't working smoothly for the first half of the year, and many people are out of pocket.

If the asking price needs to go up, that's something to consider. It would want to come with better SLAs as a result.
Yep - the problem then becomes you place a massive funds drain on smaller clubs on top of affiliation fees & insurance, but you already knew that.

SLAs would be great where the network infrastructure is in place. ATM about 2 grounds I've been to have power - Campbelltown Harlequins actually have the best facilities (outside of Rothwell, of course) I've seen below semi-pro level. Camera platform on halfway with clubhouse and power right behind. If more grounds had ample 4G/5G coverage and perhaps even high-speed broadband (what a concept!), it could definitely improve, but there are multiple bottlenecks in the chain.
 
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