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Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
It is more on the TMO than ref and definitely should've been upgraded by the TMO, but I think what's there warrants an on field red (not just a 20 minute one), given it happens well and truly after the whistle.
Was the TMO's reluctance to upgrade to red just because the camera angles weren't great? From what I saw, the way he lunged forward looked nasty, and he probably couldn't have hit anything but head, but there just wasn't a clear angle of the impact.
 

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
Was the TMO's reluctance to upgrade to red just because the camera angles weren't great? From what I saw, the way he lunged forward looked nasty, and he probably couldn't have hit anything but head, but there just wasn't a clear angle of the impact.
I'd say that's what it was practically, but still it means the TMO stuffs this up. You can't mitigate down for always illegal acts of foul play, which clearly a headbut after the whistle would fall into.

So the ref decided it was yellow card threshold - which is clear

TMO decides
* there is head contact
* there is foul play
* Degree of danger is medium (!) - so YC
* Can't mitigate down

So stays at YC.

I think the TMO is just wrong there. Once he decides there is head contact (first step) he either got the process wrong and mitigated down, or incorrectly assessed the degree of danger
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
The RFU is threatening to move rugby away from Twickenham (aka Allianz Stadium) because the local council won't ease restrictions on non-rugby use of the stadium. Eg, concerts. They are currently allowed 3 non-rugby events a year with attendance capped at 58,000. In contrast, Tottenham FC's flash new stadium is allowed to host 30 non-football events a year earning a fortune. The RFU is saying a proposed revamp of Twickenham costing around half a billion is unworkable if the stadium sits empty for 340 days a year.
 

molman

Jim Lenehan (48)
It is more on the TMO than ref and definitely should've been upgraded by the TMO, but I think what's there warrants an on field red (not just a 20 minute one), given it happens well and truly after the whistle.
I can see how with the proceeding kerfuffle and the referee not seeing it all clearly live why he might not call a straight red. Agree with @Strewthcobber's assessment of the stuff up. It would have been interesting how it might have changed the dynamic of the game, France down a player for another 10mins.
 

molman

Jim Lenehan (48)
The RFU is threatening to move rugby away from Twickenham (aka Allianz Stadium) because the local council won't ease restrictions on non-rugby use of the stadium. Eg, concerts. They are currently allowed 3 non-rugby events a year with attendance capped at 58,000. In contrast, Tottenham FC's flash new stadium is allowed to host 30 non-football events a year earning a fortune. The RFU is saying a proposed revamp of Twickenham costing around half a billion is unworkable if the stadium sits empty for 340 days a year.
The RFU own Twickenham Stadium. Surely any other option would be more costly? But I get their point/issue. Seems rather wasteful to have these large assets so under-utilised.

I wonder what the zoning/environmental profile is like for Twickenham. Twickenham does have more residential in closer proximity than say the Sydney Allianz.
 
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Wilson

John Eales (66)
The RFU own Twickenham Stadium. Surely any other option would be more costly? But I get their point/issue. Seems rather wastful to have these large assets so under-utilised.

I wonder what the zoning/environmental profile is like for Twickenham. Twickenham does have more residential in closer proximity than say the Sydney Allianz.
I think it's more a play aimed at the constituency of the local council. That is every bit rugby country and if there is any concrete suggestion they'd lose out on England test matches in their backyard they'd revolt. Or at least that's what it looks like the RFU's play is, I think there's a solid chance it's the blazer crowd that they're trying to leverage that doesn't want the non-rugby events, so it may not work as well as they hope.
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
I think it's more a play aimed at the constituency of the local council. That is every bit rugby country and if there is any concrete suggestion they'd lose out on England test matches in their backyard they'd revolt. Or at least that's what it looks like the RFU's play is, I think there's a solid chance it's the blazer crowd that they're trying to leverage that doesn't want the non-rugby events, so it may not work as well as they hope.
I think you're right. They're looking enviously at Tottenham's multi-use of their stadium and Haringey Council's support for the stadium from the get-go, not always to the delight of the locals. They've also floated the notion of buying 50% of Wembley, a shit stadium if ever there were one. It's politics, something the RFU have famously always managed to get wrong.
 

Dctarget

David Wilson (68)
Kaitu'u has scored a double for Racing 92 in their massive upset win over Bordeaux on Monday morning. Bordeaux and Toulon both went down in upsets which was much needed because their stranglehold on the top three (with Toulouse) was getting boring. Pete Samu also nabbed a losing try.

The T14 ladder is quite amusing, almost only three teams have a positive points differential, then the rest are just so far behind. Bayonne is doing amazingly well so far, not the biggest budget nor town, only promoted to top 14 two seasons ago. Coming in 4th with a negative PD all whilst the best player in the world, Reece Hodge, hasn't played a game due to injury all season.
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Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
Kaitu'u has scored a double for Racing 92 in their massive upset win over Bordeaux on Monday morning. Bordeaux and Toulon both went down in upsets which was much needed because their stranglehold on the top three (with Toulouse) was getting boring. Pete Samu also nabbed a losing try.

The T14 ladder is quite amusing, almost only three teams have a positive points differential, then the rest are just so far behind. Bayonne is doing amazingly well so far, not the biggest budget nor town, only promoted to top 14 two seasons ago. Coming in 4th with a negative PD all whilst the best player in the world, Reece Hodge, hasn't played a game due to injury all season.
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Racing had to get something right sooner or later! Good for Bayonne. Has taken them a long time to get over the Mike Phillips curse. LaR's -69 is bizarre.
 

Steve_Grey

Ted Thorn (20)

Bath Rugby lost GBP 3.68m in 2024 - the total debt to the single owner, Bruce Craig, is over GBP 30m - it is an interest free loan.

They got some pay back recently, winning the Premiership Cup (1mio) which explains why Bristol were so keen to rest players the day before, when the Reds toured - (Bath ended up beating Bristol in the Final).
 

Dctarget

David Wilson (68)
Surely Premiership needs to lower the salary cap for them? They have a good competition structure within 1 country, they already get pumped in the Euros so just bite the bullet and lower the salary cap. Then they can bring proper relegation back which is the one thing missing from this season.
 

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
Surely Premiership needs to lower the salary cap for them? They have a good competition structure within 1 country, they already get pumped in the Euros so just bite the bullet and lower the salary cap. Then they can bring proper relegation back which is the one thing missing from this season.
The way their governance works - the clubs have to (unanomously) vote to agree to lower the salary cap. And of course, they don't (especially clubs chasing success in Europe competitions)
 

Wilson

John Eales (66)
Surely Premiership needs to lower the salary cap for them? They have a good competition structure within 1 country, they already get pumped in the Euros so just bite the bullet and lower the salary cap. Then they can bring proper relegation back which is the one thing missing from this season.
I don't think you can ever really get away with lowering a salary cap, the players would revolt and you'd lose all control of your talent. The RFU would probably even try and step in to block it, given they maintain a local selection policy. Best they can probably do is pause it for ~5 years in the hope revenues catch up and maybe remove some of the marquee exemptions.
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
The way their governance works - the clubs have to (unanomously) vote to agree to lower the salary cap. And of course, they don't (especially clubs chasing success in Europe competitions)
Sums it up. Heads in the sand over the viability of the Prem. In fact, rugby in general. Its fanbase is limited, predominantly in the south, around London, and the SW to a lesser extent. Once Newcastle folds, and they will, Sale will be the only club anywhere near the north. The north is RL territory and RL is in a bigger mess. Today there's a report that the GBP125m forked out by the government in loans to support rugby clubs during Covid is unlikely to ever be repaid.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
Seems Cardiff Rugby is going into administration next week. WRU are going to take them over it is reported. Not very good news at all, Welsh rugby is certainly struggling at moment, and would suggest it has a lot to do with their economy in the long run.
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
Seems Cardiff Rugby is going into administration next week. WRU are going to take them over it is reported. Not very good news at all, Welsh rugby is certainly struggling at moment, and would suggest it has a lot to do with their economy in the long run.
No surprise. Welsh rugby, unfortunately, is a basket case from top to bottom with the vast majority of the problems stemming from the top.
 

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
No surprise. Welsh rugby, unfortunately, is a basket case from top to bottom with the vast majority of the problems stemming from the top.
My impression was that the community rugby clubs are the member organisation of the WRU (similar to our member unions).

Because of their position at the top of the governance tree, the community clubs take far more money out of the revenue generated by pro rugby than any other union. So in a way, it's the problem stemming from the bottom!
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
My impression was that the community rugby clubs are the member organisation of the WRU (similar to our member unions).

Because of their position at the top of the governance tree, the community clubs take far more money out of the revenue generated by pro rugby than any other union. So in a way, it's the problem stemming from the bottom!
Whatever the community clubs take out is piffling compared to the money blown by the WRU. They received £84m as their share of the CVC rights deal. They bought a hotel adjacent to the stadium which they are paying a hotel company to manage ... and, at the same time, cut funding to the regions. Now, with the demise of Cardiff, it has come to light that one of the owner's previous companies collapsed with debts of more than £30m. His ownership of Cardiff was waved through. The WRU is not fit for purpose.
 
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