Why is Marto employed as a commentator?

[KAOPointman]

Ummm. No. Generally One of the Key Characteristics that identify a comment as being "STUPID" is generally its lack of substance in terms of being "Right".

That is kinda basic.

What happened then?

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

What happened?

What happened was; he could not keep his condescending opinion of female sport out of his commentary....

What happened was, he is so far out of touch that he does not realise that people who are watching a womens' rugby match, are unlikely to be interested in his cliches and narrow sterotypes which say far more about him, than they ever can about female participation in sport...

What happened was; that as a professional commentator, the best he could do when the opportunity came, was stoop to cheap shots, and sarcasm.

What happened was, that when the opportunity was given to him to provide a sensible, balanced commentary - in his own professional role, he still could not prevent himself from being distracted by nonsense and a schoolboy brand of humour...

What happened was, he continually - and again in this instance - betrays himself as a masochisitc 'dinosaur' - a relic from a bygone era, and more than a little bit 'creepy - once again...

That is pretty much what happened.

 

[KAOPointman]

What happened?

What happened was; he could not keep his condescending opinion of female sport out of his commentary..

What happened was, he is so far out of touch that he does not realise that people who are watching a womens' rugby match, are unlikely to be interested in his cliches and narrow sterotypes which say far more about him, than they ever can about female participation in sport.

What happened was; that as a professional commentator, the best he could do when the opportunity came, was stoop to cheap shots, and sarcasm.

What happened was, that when the opportunity was given to him to provide a sensible, balanced commentary - in his own professional role, he still could not prevent himself from being distracted by nonsense and a schoolboy brand of humour.

What happened was, he continually - and again in this instance - betrays himself as a masochisitc 'dinosaur' - a relic from a bygone era, and more than a little bit 'creepy - once again.

That is pretty much what happened.

Oh

 

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THIS BLOKE MAKES MY HEAD HURT AND HE MAKES ME MAD.

 

[Jets]

His analysis of the scrum on the weekend was pretty good "Kepu would be loving the extra weight he is getting from Skelton" next moment a penalty try because Skelton can't get low enough to use his weight.

I don't mind Marto as a bit of colour but he should stick to what he knows and not try and be an expert on everything. He'd be better off as a panel member for the pre game show than a commentator during the match.


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[Hell West & Crooked]

[quote="Jets, post: 690056, member: 1770"I don't mind Marto as a bit of colour but he should stick to what he knows and not try and be an expert on everything. He'd be better off as a panel member for the pre game show than a commentator during the match.


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He'd be "better off" selling tickets to the matches from a Tellers' Booth at Brisbane Station...

Australia has produced 2 or 3 of the Best Commentators of Cricket in the World - and that is not an easy sport to work with...

The lamentable quality of our Rugby commentary has nothing to do with the resources available, and EVERYTHING to do with maturity and priorities of the people who employ them.

McGilvray and Benaud would never have had a chance if the current Suits at FOX (and their like) were hiring back then...

 

[Train Without a Station]

Mate, I think you're letting your opinions cloud your judgement then.

Fox hire knuckleheads like Martin because that's what most of the knuckleheads in public want to listen to. He has forged a successful media career being a moron that appeals to most of the morons in the public.

 

[Braveheart81]

He'd be "better off" selling tickets to the matches from a Tellers' Booth at Brisbane Station.

Australia has produced 2 or 3 of the Best Commentators of Cricket in the World - and that is not an easy sport to work with.

The lamentable quality of our Rugby commentary has nothing to do with the resources available, and EVERYTHING to do with maturity and priorities of the people who employ them.

McGilvray and Benaud would never have had a chance if the current Suits at FOX (and their like) were hiring back then.

I think cricket is a much easier sport to commentate than rugby union.

There's far more time for 'colour' and general chit chat.

In terms of Fox being unlikely to hire Benaud, you're making it sound like former players don't get a look in. It's entirely the opposite.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

I think cricket is a much easier sport to commentate than rugby union.

There's far more time for 'colour' and general chit chat.

In terms of Fox being unlikely to hire Benaud, you're making it sound like former players don't get a look in. It's entirely the opposite.

Absolutely NOTHING to do with Former players...

It makes no difference whether someone has played Test Rugby or not... It is about their ability to provide commentary - and if anyone thinks Martin and Kearns et all, are not given - at the very least, outlines - of what they are supposed to be providing to the commentary, you are deluding yourself.

You do not generally get biased, parochial commentary from teams which have been selected for their impartiality and insight.

It comes down to Broadcasters trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

 

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[quote="Jets, post: 690056, member: 1770"I don't mind Marto as a bit of colour but he should stick to what he knows and not try and be an expert on everything. He'd be better off as a panel member for the pre game show than a commentator during the match.


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He'd be "better off" selling tickets to the matches from a Tellers' Booth at Brisbane Station.

Australia has produced 2 or 3 of the Best Commentators of Cricket in the World - and that is not an easy sport to work with.

The lamentable quality of our Rugby commentary has nothing to do with the resources available, and EVERYTHING to do with maturity and priorities of the people who employ them.

McGilvray and Benaud would never have had a chance if the current Suits at FOX (and their like) were hiring back then.[/quote]

I think Benaud was a successful commentator for BBC before CH9 so he had the runs on the board so to speak

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Not really the point I was making - but I am sure you are correct... One likes to think there are people who have the ability to succeed despite the prevailing conditions.

With both McGilvray & Benaud, you can hear their passion for the game - and it never translated to boorishness, or provincialism.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Mate, I think you're letting your opinions cloud your judgement then.

Fox hire knuckleheads like Martin because that's what most of the knuckleheads in public want to listen to. He has forged a successful media career being a moron that appeals to most of the morons in the public.

Well - i think that is where I was heading - perhaps though, You have made the point much more succinctly than I was...

There is a dis-connect though: that Cricket can have a McGilvray or Benaud for DECADES - with a follower base Rugby only dreams of - and the "Private School" sport of Rugby Union somehow has to put up with the likes of Martin? - or even for that matter, Davies...

 

[Teh Other Dave]

Hmm. Cricket also has its Warnes, Healys, and Slaters. That said, they've done a lot more for their sport than cost Australia a once-in-a-generation test series. Even if Slater's major achievement was keeping Matthew Hayden out of the test lineup.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Thank God - another person who understands that Martin CALLED FOR THE BALL!. Thankyou.

(Not sure what is wrong with Healy by the way - I always rated him as a player, but I have been out of Australia for a while, now)...

Warney is on his way to a Capper-like wnd -Half.

 

[Teh Other Dave]

Oh Healy was a great wicketkeeper, I'm just not a fan of his commentary. I'd love to hear Border commentate, but I reckon he'd be quite similar to Chappelli. As it is, I listen to ABC radio and put the TV on mute anyway. Now WHERE did I leave my walking frame?

 

[Braveheart81]

The Channel 9 cricket commentary team used to be a very exclusive club. You literally had to be a former Australian test captain to have a chance of being part of it. Claiming that there was no parochialism is ridiculous though. Bill Lawry is famous for his parochialism.

The commentary team now has more varying quality. Warne is actually one of their better commentators because he provides technical insight (he can get annoying though). I'd say Taylor and Healy are by far their worst commentators.

I don't think the Foxsports rugby commentators are any more parochial than for other sports. They've all got their allegiances and it's silly to try and pretend they don't. I'd much prefer then wear their heart on their sleeve rather than pretend their impartial.

It seems almost universal that when you hear commentators from another country it's like a breath of fresh air because you're not used to it. Listen to the same commentators enough though and the faults and annoyances become pretty consistent across the board.

 

[Melbourne Terrace]

The commentators in all sports here are crap, but Rugby lays claim to the worst of the bunch. Compare anything here to what the UK and Irish sport fans are treated to. Not just commentators who actually do their job and call the play, put pundits who can actually analyse and put forward an engaging argument without resorting to cliches or shock jock tactics. Sky Sports and BT are top notch in their football and Rugby team and even then a public broadcaster like the BBC leaves them in the dust. The 6N coverage by the Beeb is the best sports coverage I've seen anywhere. Professionalism is prioritised and it pays off.


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[FilthRugby]

Bill Lawry NOSE cricket.

I think your spot on Braveheart with your other points.

Regarding the rugby, I'm starting to like Sean Maloney. Didn't at the start, but I've gotten to like his enthusiasm.

 

[Joe King]

They don't make em like Bill McLaren anymore

 

[Braveheart81]

They don't make em like Bill McLaren anymore

As the only non international player in the IRB Hall of Fame, I'd say they didn't make them like Bill McLaren before, during or after Bill McLaren. Truly one of a kind.