Which oz players will retire or play overseas after rwc 2011

[nathan]

I think of all players mentioned, Gits is one of the definites. There's shit all chance of him staying. Think about it...he's on the way out with the Wallabies...just married...RWC next year and spends the first 3-5 years in Europe with the wife. Sure he's value has decreased with his kicking deficiencies but he's still going to get offers. As for Waugh, Cross, Valentine, Gits, T. Smith, Edmonds, Brown, Chapo, Holmes, Samo, Dunning, Bart, Cowan, Huxley, Phibbs, Cummins, Chisolm, Humphries, Elsom, Sharpe and Mitchell....I reckon they'd be seriously considering heading overseas.

On another note I'd really like to see guys like Moore, Barnes, Ioane, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Quade and even Houston stay on till RWC15.

 

[Bruce Ross]

My own thoughts which are based on no inside knowledge.

I'd be surprised if Phil goes OS because he identifies so strongly with Sydney and New South Wales. He's always been very astute with investments so I don't see any financial imperative. He has almost completed a Masters degree.

I'd be surprised if Hux goes OS because I don't see any financial imperative.

I'd be surprised if Berrick goes OS because he has started a program of study and he is too young to feel that he has topped out in terms of playing with the national team. In fact I think he is just starting to hit his straps.

 

[jay-c]

playing for your country is a privilege for the players but i also believe it is a duty ie- if your the best man to represent Australia in one position it is your duty as an Australian to make yourself available for selection- if not military jail
if a player chooses money over playing for australia whilst at the peak of their career it is a crime
also consider luke mcalistair> before he left nz he and mauger were the best two inside centers in nz and them with gits were the best three in the world- he chased the money and has been so far off the pace ever since.
id hate to see cooper go- him and genia over the next ten years could become the new gregs/larkham
i would disown any player under 28 from the starting team who left

 

[DPK]

I'd be surprised if Berrick goes OS because he has started a program of study and he is too young to feel that he has topped out in terms of playing with the national team. In fact I think he is just starting to hit his straps.

I hope this is true. I hope he hits those straps bloody hard.

 

[Slim 293]

Given how competitive the market will be after the World Cup I don't see how guys like Van Humphries, Cordingly, Bartholomeausz, Huxley & co are going to get a gig. Most of them have done their stint overseas but they are all too old. Keep in mind French and UK clubs can only use 2 foreign players on the field at any one time. In Japan it is 3 but they are now cutting their squads to only 6 foreign players per squad. Consider all the kiwis going over, not much room or interest in second tier players.

The players who might go are the one's being offered money too good to turn down and players who's stock is on the way down and need to cash in now before it's too late.

I think the players who we are at risk of losing and don't want to lose are: Quade Cooper (I heard Toulon was v interested), Drew Mitchell, Digby Ioane (is so injury prone, needs to get his pay day before its too late - Japan?), Adam Ashley Cooper, Rocky Elsom, Stephen Moore.

The ones who should go now before its too late: Matt Giteau (100% leaving), Richard Brown, Huia Edmonds, Leroy Houston, Phil Waugh, Ryan Cross, Josh Valentine, Mitchell Chapman, Tyrone Smith

To be honest, I think we will fare much better than New Zealand. They will lose quite a few of their first XV including McCaw, Carter, Rockocko, Nonu etc. The real $$$ will be spent on them, not to mention other top international players. Guys like Quade and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be smarter to play the field, source a few big offers, come back to the ARU and get the big 2-3 yr contract then head overseas year before RWC 2015.

Chapman?

If Elsom is planning on leaving its in his best interest to stay...

He's one of the best blindside flankers in the country and with Elsom gone it opens up an opportunity for him...

 

[fatprop]

Digby Ioane
Greg Holmes
James Horwill
Leroy Houston
Al Baxter
Berrick Barnes
Dean Mumm
Josh Holmes
Ryan Cross
Sekope Kepu
Adam Ashley-Cooper
Huia Edmonds
Josh Valentine
Matt Giteau
Mitchell Chapman
Patrick Phipps
Rocky Elsom
Stephen Moore
Tyrone Smith
Brett Sheehan
Matt Dunning
Nathan Sharpe
Richard Brown
Julian Huxley

 

[Thomas]

Ioane won't leave he's not the brightest of people and he needs his sister to pretty much run him financially so he wouldn't leave Australia and as someone said before he has trouble trusting people.

 

[fatprop]

He also talks about setting up his family

 

[Lee Grant]

This is fun to talk about and now is as good a time as any, but we're dancing in the dark.

I was thinking when watching the Wallabies put France to the sword that there could be a negative side to it. I reckon the price of our guys would have been ratcheted up a notch or two and that the Oz net may be cast wider. Despite the rolling crackdown on using foreigners the French will find a way around it somehow and they pay in Euros, not pounds.

The French club directors would have seen our guys play before but there's nothing like comparing players against their own national team, with maybe some of their own club players in it, for them to assess SH players best. That good night may prove to be a bad night for Oz.

 

[Gnostic]

This is fun to talk about and now is as good a time as any, but we're dancing in the dark.

I was thinking when watching the Wallabies put France to the sword that there could be a negative side to it. I reckon the price of our guys would have been ratcheted up a notch or two and that the Oz net may be cast wider. Despite the rolling crackdown on using foreigners the French will find a way around it somehow and they pay in Euros, not pounds.

The French club directors would have seen our guys play before but there's nothing like comparing players against their own national team, with maybe some of their own club players in it, for them to assess SH players best. That good night may prove to be a bad night for Oz.

Given the issues in Euroland it may well be that the pound could be the better bet. If Spain and Portugal go the way of Greece and Ireland the Euro may well get smashed and that could take a fair bit of the shine of the contract when compared with Oz Dollars (and pounds). Anybody else think that these factors could have an influence if the only real motivator is money?

 

[stoff]

Given the issues in Euroland it may well be that the pound could be the better bet. If Spain and Portugal go the way of Greece and Ireland the Euro may well get smashed and that could take a fair bit of the shine of the contract when compared with Oz Dollars (and pounds). Anybody else think that these factors could have an influence if the only real motivator is money?

Definitely if money is the only motivator. I think a large part of the motivation has to be plpying your trade in a different environment. When I watch T14 games I often think how great it would be to be living somewhere in the south of France being paid a truckload to play sport.

 

[sevenpointdropgoal]

I don't think Barnes will leave just yet. I suspect he'd be more likely to leave in the lead up to the following world cup if he's not looking like a starter.

I'd be suprised to see Le Fuse go anywhere that's full time. He stands to make a much bigger contribution outside of rugby if he's careful with what he does. Firstly he's a professional architect, and secondly he's extremely knowledgeable, well spoken, and, from what I've been told, not bad with the written word. There is a world of opportunity for him to practice architecture and appear in various media forms. I wouldn't be suprised if he went overseas, but I can't imagine it'd be about the money - I think it'd be a lifestyle thing. He seems to genuinely enjoy playing, so perhaps, once he's done with the Tahs, he'll do a Vick and study, or work somewhere that allows him some game time on the side.

I think we'll see the back of Gits. He needs to make hay while the sun is still sort of shining, and with the rise of several genuine contenders for both the 12 and 10 jerseys he'd do well to spend time overseas.

Sharpe is a definite overseas possibility too.

I know Quade has said he'd like to play mungo, but I still suspect he'll stick around. He stands to make more money as a great 5/8 in rugby than he might in mungo, and if his defensive capabilities don't transfer he'd see his value drop significantly.

 

[DPK]

Definitely if money is the only motivator. I think a large part of the motivation has to be plpying your trade in a different environment. When I watch T14 games I often think how great it would be to be living somewhere in the south of France being paid a truckload to play sport.

Yeah. It would have to be a pretty big paycheck to make someone like Ioane decide between standing in the snow in England or playing footy in France.

 

[Ruggo]

Quade will stay. As he ages, he will mature me thinks. He has been lead astray by people after their own slice of the pie but what does shine through is his love for his footy. The 12 month contract is more a reflection of failure to agree on financial terms than it is his commitment to Australian Rugby.

Digby will stay in Australia but I am concerned about the Rebels making a push to bring him home closer to family.

The point Bruce makes about Barnes only just beginning his studies is a good one.

I think Moore and Palu will go if they are off contract.

 

[HG]

This is about right. Barns may not go but Gitts will. This will up his price for sure. Also if he plays finals in the super 15 with the Reds then that will also lift his price. Quade has a very smart manager.

People say Quade only signed a 12month contract so he could leave after the RWC...possibly, but on the other hand it's pretty smart, with Gits and Barnes off contract and both unlikely to stay, Coopers value will rocket up.

 

[Ruggo]

I think it is more about Quade's star and value rising giving him incentive for a shorter contract and the ARU not wanting to fork out top dollar on a long term deal to a player who's star had not fully risen and still had a lot to prove his top dollar value. The ARU I think also overplayed the loyalty card in what was a business decision.

Cooper already has the wood on Gits and Barnes so I don't see that having a big impact on the decision.

 

[#1 Tah]

My post WC 22:

1. Robinson
2. TPN
3. Alexander
4. Mumm/Horwill
5. Douglas
6. Higgenbotham/Mowen/Dennis
7. Pocock
8. Palu
9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Turner
12. JOC (James O'Connor)
13. Horne
14. Davies/Ioane
15. Beale

16. Fainga'a/Charles/Fitzpatrick
17. Slipper
18. Horwill/Mumm
19. Hodgson/Waugh
20. Burgess
21. To'mooa/Halangahu
22. Ioane/Davies


So i guess that means Gits, Rock, Sharpie, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Moore go OS and Cooper to NRL.

 

[RugbyReg]

My post WC 28:

1. Robinson
2. TPN
3. Alexander
4. Mumm/Horwill
5. Douglas
6. Higgenbotham/Mowen/Dennis
7. Pocock
8. Palu
9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Turner
12. JOC (James O'Connor)
13. Horne
14. Davies/Ioane
15. Beale

16. Fainga'a/Charles/Fitzpatrick
17. Slipper
18. Horwill/Mumm
19. Hodgson/Waugh
20. Burgess
21. To'mooa/Halangahu
22. Ioane/Davies


So i guess that means Gits, Rock, Sharpie, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Moore go OS and Cooper to NRL.

fixed.

 

[Thomas]

My post WC 22:

1. Robinson
2. TPN
3. Alexander
4. Mumm/Horwill
5. Douglas
6. Higgenbotham/Mowen/Dennis
7. Pocock
8. Palu
9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Turner
12. JOC (James O'Connor)
13. Horne
14. Davies/Ioane
15. Beale

16. Fainga'a/Charles/Fitzpatrick
17. Slipper
18. Horwill/Mumm
19. Hodgson/Waugh
20. Burgess
21. To'mooa/Halangahu
22. Ioane/Davies


So i guess that means Gits, Rock, Sharpie, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Moore go OS and Cooper to NRL.

Waugh won't make it into the squad, he isn't in it now so he has no chance once he's nearing mid 30's, Hodgo is the better long term option as Waugh may not even be around then. Horwill will easily get it over Mumm and Rocky's the leader so obviously Deans has spoken about the long term options with him. A couple of players for consideration: Anthony Fainagaa, Will Chambers, Rob Simmons, Kane Douglas, Luke Morahan, Colby Fainga'a, Ben McCalman and Pat McCabe

 

[#1 Tah]

Waugh won't make it into the squad, he isn't in it now so he has no chance once he's nearing mid 30's, Hodgo is the better long term option as Waugh may not even be around then. Horwill will easily get it over Mumm and Rocky's the leader so obviously Deans has spoken about the long term options with him. A couple of players for consideration: Anthony Fainagaa, Will Chambers, Rob Simmons, Kane Douglas, Luke Morahan, Colby Fainga'a, Ben McCalman and Pat McCabe

Our next coach may like having veterans in the squad? Also I included Douglas