Where to for Super Rugby?

[oztimmay]

yeah, unfortunately, so would i ! but the delay is in the ARU finding a set of exclusive parameters that fit the decision they made in September of last year to axe the Force.

Or a number in compensation $$$ for the Force. 3 years will be much cheaper than 18 years + the mooted damages bill from Coxy.


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[chibimatty]

The rate things are going, the Rebels and the Force will both get cut, the Kings will stay and join the Aussie conference!

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Move on people and try to think of something remotely helpful to post.***

Oh shit. I think I'm in trouble.

I think that Papworth is a loose canon but as I have said before we need canons right now.

This is getting biblical!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

yeah, unfortunately, so would i ! but the delay is in the ARU finding a set of exclusive parameters that fit the decision they made in September of last year to axe the Force.

Simple: all teams with stylised black swans as logos are to be cut.

 

[chibimatty]

Simple: all teams with stylised black swans as logos are to be cut.

 

[Quick Hands]

We know how serious things have become when Peter Fitzsimons comes out and publicly backs Alan Jones for a role in running Australian rugby.

 

[p.Tah]

The WA government has praised the work rugby league is doing to promote the game in Western Australia as the state faces losing its Super Rugby team..............
"You're showing the lead by trying to expand your sport, whereas the other one is shrinking their sport," Mr Murray said in a thinly-veiled swipe at the ARU.

"I think it's a major feather in the cap of rugby league by being out there promoting their own game and trying to expand it.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/05/01/wa-govt-slams-aru-shrinking-rugby

 

[Bullrush]

I said this a number of pages back but yeah, I'll say it again

Can we just cut the Rebels and be done with it?!

They aren't just bad for Australia but for the whole competition.

 

[dru]

I said this a number of pages back but yeah, I'll say it again

Can we just cut the Rebels and be done with it?!

They aren't just bad for Australia but for the whole competition.

Troll maybe? Again?

And no, not everyone agrees with you.

 

[Bullrush]

Troll maybe? Again?

And no, not everyone agrees with you.

It's not trolling. The ARU has to cut one team. I don't see what the fuss is about to be honest. Just cut the 3 teams that need to be cut and let's get back to hving a great rugby competition.

It's clear that Australian rugby doesn't have the depth yet to sustain 5 teams at this level.

 

[stoff]

It's not trolling. The ARU has to cut one team. I don't see what the fuss is about to be honest. Just cut the 3 teams that need to be cut and let's get back to hving a great rugby competition.

It's clear that Australian rugby doesn't have the depth yet to sustain 5 teams at this level.

Pretty easy to say when your team isn't on the block. You may not think you're trolling, but you are inflaming serious tension that is being kept (mostly) just below the surface at this point, and your comment definitely didn't add anything to the debate.

Look at it another way - if the Blues were up for the chop, would you just be happy to watch it happen?


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[Gnostic]

It's not trolling. The ARU has to cut one team. I don't see what the fuss is about to be honest. Just cut the 3 teams that need to be cut and let's get back to hving a great rugby competition.



It's clear that Australian rugby doesn't have the depth yet to sustain 5 teams at this level.

Actually Bullrush I will bet (and I am not a betting person at all) that at the very best there MAY be a short term jump in performance, which I am not convinced about as representative players are concentrated a bit more. However with a couple of injuries that concentration disappears and the status quo is restored. Looking a bit longer term, not even medium term just say 3 years time, without other significant changes to the entire system that possible short term bounce will disappear and the slide will continue.

I actually dispute that Australia does not have the talent, even though I opposed the expansion of the Super competition on the basis it was expanded. In fact I still oppose it because regardless of the games it is a shit structure.

So my feelings are the cutting of a side will do nothing to improve Australian Rugby because it does not address the defective developmental systems, and in fact does plenty of harm through burning of the remaining social Capital that the ARU still had. I also feel that cutting the team will not improve the ARU finances over the medium term and possibly even the short term regardless of the outcome of Legal actions, which have the potential to end the ARU entirely, or at least erode any potential (if questionable) savings they could have made even if they win said actions.

 

[Upthenuts]

having watched many sunwolves games, it seems australias biggest problems is coaching, not the players.
in the sunwolves theres a team where the sum is greater than the parts, where as the aussie teams seem to pull their players down into lesser performances,
with the rare except like hooper who keeps turning up every week, almost alone almost inspite of the coaching.
maybe be the ARU should look at marque coaching appointments, pay the money get some world class coaches

 

[dru]

It's not trolling. The ARU has to cut one team. I don't see what the fuss is about to be honestl.

Congrats, not a troll. Simply deeply offensive.

OK, no the ARU does not have to cut a team. What we are offered, Bullrush, suits NZ. Thats fine. But it does not suit Australian rugby. God knows what the ARU actually think.

I dont know why I am bothering here, because there is nothing, nothing I can say here that isnt already detailed on this thread. Have you truly read it?

Aus is not NZ, nor is it SA. Chop RWA you do not "concentrate" Aus talent. You remove a considerable chunk of rugby in Aus.

Melbourne is not much better.

This Super Rugby as offered, under the agis of SANZAAR, but actually suiting one partner and one partner only, NZ. It doesnt suit us. We cant afford to chop off an arm. We need the full body.

At this point, NZ can get stuffed, any, just any sensible review, pulls Aus out of Super.

And you my friend, can find a way to keep NZ Soup rolling without us.

There is a considerable fuss here. In Aus.

 

[Rebels3]

Pretty easy to say when your team isn't on the block. You may not think you're trolling, but you are inflaming serious tension that is being kept (mostly) just below the surface at this point, and your comment definitely didn't add anything to the debate.

Look at it another way - if the Blues were up for the chop, would you just be happy to watch it happen?


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It's funny that the rebels are constantly belted out as the worst team of the lot. Doing the stats I did on another thread yesterday, they have actually in the past 3 seasons won more games than the following.

Sunwolves
Jaguares
Kings
FORCE
REDS
CHEETAHS
BLUES (equal wins)

Have a better for and against than both the force and reds.

There's no denying they have been utter shite this year but you'd think the talk is that they are 5/6 wins behind the rest. Currently they are 2 points behind the mighty force and 4 behind the almighty reds. Both teams if they were to win the remainder of their games for the year still wouldn't have more wins in this period than the rebels would if they were to finish out the season today.

 

[chibimatty]

Some better coaching of individual skills and developing the ability to play what's in front of you, plus stopping the player-drain here would solve a lot of problems in the short term.

 

[James Pettifer]

It's funny that the rebels are constantly belted out as the worst team of the lot. Doing the stats I did on another thread yesterday, they have actually in the past 3 seasons won more games than the following.

Sunwolves
Jaguares
Kings
FORCE
REDS
CHEETAHS
BLUES (equal wins)

Have a better for and against than both the force and reds.

There's no denying they have been utter shite this year but you'd think the talk is that they are 5/6 wins behind the rest. Currently they are 2 points behind the mighty force and 4 behind the almighty reds. Both teams if they were to win the remainder of their games for the year still wouldn't have more wins in this period than the rebels would if they were to finish out the season today.

I think there are 2 problems. The first is that people don't remember last season (you know the one where the Rebels finished 1 win behind the Tahs and didn't get $2.6 million in additional spend on players) and the second is that when they play badly, they play really really badly and lose hard.

They have seriously sucked this year due to a combination of lack of overall talent (due to a lower salary spend and poor strategic planning of talent), a ridiculous injury list (which must be training related) and what appears to be a lack of a sensible game plan.

I also think they are suffering from the uncertainty around the changes in the competition and whether they will have a job. I know this is impacting other teams, but people react differently to this kind of uncertainty.

 

[Rebels3]

I think there are 2 problems. The first is that people don't remember last season (you know the one where the Rebels finished 1 win behind the Tahs and didn't get $2.6 million in additional spend on players) and the second is that when they play badly, they play really really badly and lose hard.

They have seriously sucked this year due to a combination of lack of overall talent (due to a lower salary spend and poor strategic planning of talent), a ridiculous injury list (which must be training related) and what appears to be a lack of a sensible game plan.

I also think they are suffering from the uncertainty around the changes in the competition and whether they will have a job. I know this is impacting other teams, but people react differently to this kind of uncertainty.

You've hit the nail on the head with everything here.

 

[Leo86]

It's not trolling. The ARU has to cut one team. I don't see what the fuss is about to be honest. Just cut the 3 teams that need to be cut and let's get back to hving a great rugby competition.

It's clear that Australian rugby doesn't have the depth yet to sustain 5 teams at this level.

Your right Australia has to cut a team but at NZs insistence keep the sunwolves in OZs conference.

Maybe NZ can cut a team to make room for the sunwolves they want so bad.

Say the Blues. What is your thoughts? Cut made, Sunwolves are in. Win win

 

[Rugbynutter39]

I think there are 2 problems. The first is that people don't remember last season (you know the one where the Rebels finished 1 win behind the Tahs and didn't get $2.6 million in additional spend on players) and the second is that when they play badly, they play really really badly and lose hard.

They have seriously sucked this year due to a combination of lack of overall talent (due to a lower salary spend and poor strategic planning of talent), a ridiculous injury list (which must be training related) and what appears to be a lack of a sensible game plan.

I also think they are suffering from the uncertainty around the changes in the competition and whether they will have a job. I know this is impacting other teams, but people react differently to this kind of uncertainty.

And the timing for the rebels to be utter shit this year is unfortunate to say the least.



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