Where to for Super Rugby?
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could it be more the fact that the Force have stated they don't want to be part of the east coast rugby comp?
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Too much invested in their alternate comp? Surely you'd jump at playing Kiwi sides over South Pacific asian sides.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I guess there's something in being the Harlem Globetrotters of your own tournament?
Also, Forrest can't skim money from a competition he doesn't own.........
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
RH, you mention above (posts 16142 and 16144) the willingnessof WR (World Rugby) to largelyfinance Argentina and PIs to keep them viable. If RA or rugby generally in Aust were to face financial wipe out, do you not think WR (World Rugby) would be willing to throw some money this way too? I would venture WR (World Rugby) would value Aust rugby at least as much as they do Argie or PIs.
stoff
Trevor Allan (34)
Could be but not how it was reported. I don't know how Force would reconcile bailing on GRR to join Super given the history of why GRR came to be. This year makes sense, maybe 2021 depending upon travel restrictions. They are an organisation who could do both if their backer chooses to though.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
I think this is a very good observation/point. I have long said here: (1) the only way the bad culture, competence deficiencies and governance system within RA will be fixed is by its de facto or actual bankruptcy and (2) the parties that will have the motivation to save Aust rugby and will save it and slowly rebuild its viability will be WR (World Rugby) and the NZRU in some kind of unison (but each for different reasons).
So my answer to you is: yes. There is a very real possibility of RA entering 'grave financial state, bankruptcy looms' Mk II (Mk I being in March 2020 when bar WR (World Rugby)'s loan assurance almost certainly RA would have had to declare bankruptcy). Mk II will come if either there is zero media offer for Aust rugby in 2021, or a very poor $s one with extensive conditions.
In that event in say November 2020 (and assuming no Twiggy-like or PE buy out offer for the whole code here), I consider it a near certainty that WR (World Rugby) would urgently advance further funds to RA/whatever is there then. Needless to say, the advance in these circumstances would call for and of necessity insist on massive restructuring of the code here at almost all levels.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
The big RE-SET is coming one way or another
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Agree mate, just different flavours remain available (as of today).
I like to watch
David Codey (61)
Skim money?
how?
from the massive gates?
the huge telecast deal?
surely not from merchandise?
brokendown
Bill McLean (32)
Slim is just being Slim
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
Source??
Could read a number of things into this.
1 possibility being that the Super Rugby Franchises are all about to be wound up and finished and this is their desperate attempt to wrest some control and stay alive.
I posted in the other other thread what I take is a quote from Mclennan printed in the Herald.
That means another opportunity for Australia and potentially the Kiwis to build a competition without the constraints of time zones and long haul travel. A competition fans can watch in prime time, two or three nights a week, featuring strong but familiar rivalries and fast, attacking rugby.
To me this is pointing toward an AUS comp more so than TT.
And well the Force probably happier with the AUS comp and not worried about their survival and seem to be back in bed with RA.
Then he talk about PE and selling Super Rugby, probably means the QLD and NSW unions will have to cede all control to PE.
Just wondering if there are competing agendas going on.
stoff
Trevor Allan (34)
It was Wayne Smith's article today (I assume). He said each of the NZ Super Rugby club CEOs called one of their Australian counterparts to invite them to a meeting of all of them together on Friday. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/4cce0c177cee864cfeff1fbf223b2d02
ForceFan
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Aren't Australians very good at tearing down our 'tall poppies'?
Andrew Forrest doesn't have to skim money from Rugby as his net worth is generally >$10 Billion.
GRR has been one of Forrest's philanthropic activities to:
a) maintain a professional Rugby Union team in Perth;
b) maintain a realistic, and locally acceptable, development pathway for WA-based Rugby Union players;
c) create opportunities to attract more Australian Rugby Union players, who are playing OS, to return so that under current rules they are available for Wallabies selection ; and
d) work with World Rugby and Asia/Pacific Rugby Unions to grow the great game of Rugby Union in the region.
We know that RA was incapable of making any meaningful progress in any of these areas.
So far Forrest has been successful with all of the above with the final aim of ensuring that eventually, and in a meaningful timeframe, the GRR initiatives will return a profit and be self-sustaining so that he can direct his philanthropy elsewhere.
He previously offered substantial $$s to RA (reported as $70 Million during the Senate Inquiry into Rugby in Australia to RA, but it was rejected out of hand by Cameron Clyne et al at the meeting in Adelaide in 2017 (apparently without being presented to the RA Board).
I would think that Hamish McLennan et al may wish to respond differently, but it seems that the offer is no longer available.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Still don’t get the hate towards Twiggy Forrest.. those who criticise him act as though he is the only person who is acting with a bit of self-interest in this whole Australian rugby community, despite it being rampant in the eastern states for decades.
The constant swipes at Twiggy just come across as jealousy.. shit I hope a $billionaire comes forward and saves the Reds when Super Rugby capitulate.. not likely to happen though
The constant swipes at Twiggy just come across as jealousy.. shit I hope a $billionaire comes forward and saves the Reds when Super Rugby capitulate.. not likely to happen though
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
There's really only one or two people on here criticising Twiggy. Most of us recognise his commitment to the Force and possible ongoing commitment to Australia.
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