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Peter Sullivan (51)
That only a few have seen sounds like someone with an agenda leaking info that will benefit them and their own interests. Nsw power brockers have been doing this for years.
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John Thornett (49)
I wonder if the ARU board members the only one who knew of this document or had it been shared at the SANZAAR meeting? Who knows.
The Honey Badger
Jim Lenehan (48)
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There is 211 people online at 10:00 pm on Thursday.
Be nice if at least 200 of them signed the petition.
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What am i missing? Each club gets $1.7 million a year from the broadcast deal plus the Rebels get an extra $6 million over the first 5 years of the sale deal. No where does it state the other franchises receive $8.5 million more than the Rebels over the next 5 years. Are you saying the Rebels receive no money from the ARU broadcast deal?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Interesting revelation in the article that almost all of the extra broadcast money received was eaten up by the extra costs involved in running a Super 18 tournament.
I suppose that it's too much to expect that SANZAAR, ARU, SARU & NZRU undertook some sort of cost-benefit analysis before proceding with Super 18?
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Jim Lenehan (48)
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David Wilson (68)
So an article in which a former Brumbies player and a former Reds player and coach give their views on super rugby is part of an NSW conspiracy?
Really?
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They claim the Force players have been told of the secret document before this week. What a way for the boys to be getting ready for the rest of the year.
Disgraceful by all involved, just disgraceful.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/video...Z-XZ/Payto-Panda-Western-Force-set-to-be-axed
Disgraceful by all involved, just disgraceful.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/video...Z-XZ/Payto-Panda-Western-Force-set-to-be-axed
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
This is the article referring to which I believed slim was also alluding when he mentioned a top secret document that only a select few know about.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/video...Z-XZ/Payto-Panda-Western-Force-set-to-be-axed
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Saying it doesn't prove it. No where has anyone provided evidence to support what yourself and Stoff are talking about. I posted 2 separate articles saying they get an extra $6 million over the 1st 5 years of the sale agreement to soften any losses incurred in that period for the new owner. Give me evidence that the other 4 franchises are getting $8.5 million each more than the Rebels over the next 5 years. Thats what im replying to. Im not arguing that the other 4 teams receive $8.5 million between them of which one quarter is just over $2.1 million each over the next 5 years even though the figure quoted in the article is $1.7 million increasing at $50 000 per year. $1.7million × 4 is $6.8 million each still not the $8.5 million that is being thrown around.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Honestly you appear to have it in your head that the rebels are the ones to go. You are going out of your way to attempt to justify this opinion. There's others that are doing the same towards the brums and force as well. The only information we have is though journalists, if this article is right (and there is absolutely no reason to guess it), it clearly states that the rebels going forward from a top up point of view are cheaper than the other franchises. This doesn't mean we deserve our place more than the brums or force as there's other things like opportunity cost, reach/impacts from a media perspective, pathways etc that each club has different strengths and weaknesses in.
It just so happens this article isn't serving your narrative well.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
$1.7 million per year over 5 years equals $8.5 million for each team.........
No one is suggesting that the other teams get $8.5M more than the Rebels, and the Rebels do not receive $6M more than the other teams.
As the article you posted states:
The Rebels get $6M over 5 years, with a chunk of that up front.........
The rest of the teams get $1.7M every year over 5 years......... or $8.5M each all round.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
It's a very poorly expressed article, full of ambiguity. It says that the Rebels have been topped up with a front-ended amount of $6m to stop the bleeding over previous years. What sort of commercial organisation would take a deal worth $6m instead of the $8.5m going to each other club?
It goes on the say that the Rebels will receive any additional money the ARU allocates to other clubs, citing things like marketing. But does that arrangement also cover the annual allocation of $1.7m that each of the other clubs get periodically (ie every year)? While I can't make head nor tail of the report, it could mean either what STOFF says or what NTT says. I guess that was the intention of the obfuscation in the first place.
It goes on the say that the Rebels will receive any additional money the ARU allocates to other clubs, citing things like marketing. But does that arrangement also cover the annual allocation of $1.7m that each of the other clubs get periodically (ie every year)? While I can't make head nor tail of the report, it could mean either what STOFF says or what NTT says. I guess that was the intention of the obfuscation in the first place.
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Jason Little (69)
Probably right Slim. But does that mean that a commercial owner took control for a payment of $6m only when each other club got $8.5m? And consider that all four other clubs have been in operation longer than the Rebels, are mostly in more Rugby affiliated regions and would be expected to be more commercially viable than the Rebels at that stage. Still doesn't seem very likely to me.
As an aside, we are told there is a get out clause for Cox in the contract. It would be remiss of the ARU if there wasn't a similar provision for them to activate if circumstances dictate (as they presumably do now).
But I restate that I have a strong preference for the retention of all five franchises. I just think there is a lot of smoke about at present around the Rebels' costs to the ARU.
As an aside, we are told there is a get out clause for Cox in the contract. It would be remiss of the ARU if there wasn't a similar provision for them to activate if circumstances dictate (as they presumably do now).
But I restate that I have a strong preference for the retention of all five franchises. I just think there is a lot of smoke about at present around the Rebels' costs to the ARU.
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Frank Row (1)
What a bloody mess this has all become. We're all just fighting amongst ourselves now..... and even more than normal! I keep swinging back and forth between (side A) the benefits of fewer teams to strengthen the depth of the other 4 and (side B) the benefits of a broader commercial, fan and pathway base.
I won't rehash the views already expressed on the pros/cons of each but I think we all agree that the product must be better if 'content' is a long-term commercial imperative.
What really shits me is the fundamental mismanagement of this entire bloody thing. That's part directly at the radio silence of the past few weeks but also at the short sited decisions that were made in comp expansion. A bed was made then, and shit, we're all lying in it now.....deep in REM sleep, hoping we wake up very soon and that's it's all a very bad dream!
If nothing else comes of this, in future we must demand greater accountability and transparency from the games guardians, both at a national level but also from SANZAAR, or whatever political beast emerges from this whole shamozzle.
Fuck it's depressing that we're 5 rounds in and the actual footy is nothing more than a side-show.
I won't rehash the views already expressed on the pros/cons of each but I think we all agree that the product must be better if 'content' is a long-term commercial imperative.
What really shits me is the fundamental mismanagement of this entire bloody thing. That's part directly at the radio silence of the past few weeks but also at the short sited decisions that were made in comp expansion. A bed was made then, and shit, we're all lying in it now.....deep in REM sleep, hoping we wake up very soon and that's it's all a very bad dream!
If nothing else comes of this, in future we must demand greater accountability and transparency from the games guardians, both at a national level but also from SANZAAR, or whatever political beast emerges from this whole shamozzle.
Fuck it's depressing that we're 5 rounds in and the actual footy is nothing more than a side-show.
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Show me where i have ever said get rid of Melbourne. I support all 5 teams to stay. I am only arguing against the statement that the Rebels are receiving $8.5 million less than the other franchises.
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Petition signed! Finally some justice! We'll get that b@stard Richard Loe to apologise to Paul Carozza yet.......or have I signed the wrong one 
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