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Where to for Super Rugby?

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Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Leo86 said:
How impossible? and by that I mean if the precondition is keeping the Force, what if the courts rule in favour of RugbyWA. How could the ARU suddenly be able to achieve the impossible?
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If they do the only outcome is more court. They have to figure out whether the ARUs contractual obligations extend to SANZAAR, whether the contractual obligations to SANZAAR can be altered, whether the only remedy for the breach is damages (money) or whether further injunctive relief can be sought, etc etc. In a legal sense, if they win, more questions arise than answers. Certainly, they won't suddenly be back into the competition. More likely, the clusterfuck just devolves even further.

They could always call another meeting and ask nicely for a 16 team comp to which SA will promptly tell them to fucking do one.
 
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Leo86

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Im hearing ya, but couldnt the ARU question SA in regards to culling teams claiming to strengthen depth to then moving 2 teams to another comp and promising that comp depth as well. Kinda seems like SA had a plan all along and ARU were just getting shafted. Obviously with out seeing minutes or contracts, mine is an uneducated opinion, but maybe SANZAAR do need to have a meeting and instead of the member unions trying get one up on each other they might come out with a better solution.
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Eh these are senior executives. Their job is politiking and eeking the most out of agreements whilst ensuring their counterparts get as little as possible. Ours got bent over as Australians generally do when it comes to this kind of world. Too naturally forthright.
 
Rugbynutter39

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Michael Lynagh (62)
Leo86 said:
Im hearing ya, but couldnt the ARU question SA in regards to culling teams claiming to strengthen depth to then moving 2 teams to another comp and promising that comp depth as well. Kinda seems like SA had a plan all along and ARU were just getting shafted. Obviously with out seeing minutes or contracts, mine is an uneducated opinion, but maybe SANZAAR do need to have a meeting and instead of the member unions trying get one up on each other they might come out with a better solution.
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Yep sa comes out stronger position in professional rugby while oz gets weaker. Got to love the ARU as shafted by both nz and saru as they are the only ones actually cutting a professional team. Bunch of muppets...


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PaarlBok

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Rod McCall (65)
The Cheetahs now have two squads.

So all going well for a S18 franchise who have been chopped out.

Best part of it , is that SS havent been involved. Geuss that wont take long.

SA players in Pro 14
Conference A: Cardiff Blues – George Earle (Stormers)
Glasgow Warriors – Oli Kebble (Stormers), Brandon Thomson (Stormers)
Munster – Gerbrandt Grobler (Stormers), Chris Cloete (Kings), CJ Stander (Bulls), Jaco Taute (Stormers) Jean Kleyn (Stormers)
Ospreys – Brian Mujati (Stormers) , Hanno Dirksen (USA)
Zebre – Bart le Roux (Sharks), Gideon Koegelenberg (Lions), Johan Meyer (Sharks), Derick Minnie (Lions)

Conference B: Dragons – Brok Harris (Stormers), Ligtoring Landman (Cheetahs), Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs), Pat Howard (Stormers), Zane Kirchner (Bulls), Carl Meyer (Sharks)
Edinburgh – WP Nel (Stormers), Duhan van der Merwe (Bulls)
Leinster – Richardt Strauss (Cheetahs)
Scarlets – Werner Kruger (Bulls), David Bulbring (Bulls)
Treviso – Irné Herbst (Bulls)
Ulster – Wiehan Herbst (Sharks), Marcell Coetzee (Sharks), Jean Deysel (Sharks), Schalk van der Merwe (Cheetahs), Louis Ludick (Sharks)
 
dru

dru

David Wilson (68)
PaarlBok said:
The Pro 14 starts this weekend. Will be interesting to see how the Cheetahs & Kings will do in the competition.
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Kings were reported to be rebuilding after losing much of the squad before the Pro14 commitment.

Both teams have had practically no off season, injury and fitness risk must be high.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Celts manage the Hiveldt. :)
 
Killer

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Cyril Towers (30)
Derpus said:
If they do the only outcome is more court. They have to figure out whether the ARUs contractual obligations extend to SANZAAR, whether the contractual obligations to SANZAAR can be altered, whether the only remedy for the breach is damages (money) or whether further injunctive relief can be sought, etc etc. In a legal sense, if they win, more questions arise than answers. Certainly, they won't suddenly be back into the competition. More likely, the clusterfuck just devolves even further.

They could always call another meeting and ask nicely for a 16 team comp to which SA will promptly tell them to fucking do one.
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Surely SANZAAR can't claim for damages, that would need the ARU to agree to it? right of veto? so therefore the ARU shouldn't fear any loss other than more credibility and SANZAAR needs to make it a 16 team comp as the new agreement said "at least 4 teams from Aust"
 
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Killer said:
Surely SANZAAR can't claim for damages, that would need the ARU to agree to it? right of veto?
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Hmmm, I can see the ARU looking at it and saying hey we get a third of the money that comes from a law suit regardless of the damage done to rugby in Aus, we should support this
 
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BLR

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Slim 293 said:
They're referring to Twiggy's offer.....

Which, to be fair, did come pretty late in the whole affair.
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If the ARU actually spoke to RugbyWA, Twiggy would have stepped in alot sooner you would think.

As he has mentioned, he thought sanity would prevail.

If he knew that the ARU were going to base their decision on flawed logic surely this help from Twiggy would have been much earlier in coming, as he has been involved behind the scenes since day dot.

It's just all a load of BS to justify what was a hatchet job since day one. The ARU henchman(one of which is apparently helping choose the next Rebels coach) came over during the 48-72 hour period not with a set of criteria but with a list of unsigned offers to host test matches from Victoria which RugbyWA promptly offered to take off their hands. Of course rejected.

All the while completely discounting the money that the Own the Force campaign was predicted to bring in which alone is more than what any of the other teams had coming in from outside sources as well as Australia's biggest sponsorship deal.

Too late is absolute crap. The Twiggy deal pushes it into the 'you're dumb not to' category but even before that logic dictated it wasn't the decision to be made.
 
Killer

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Cyril Towers (30)
Derpus said:
When the preconditions for it's acceptance are now literally impossible.
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the ARU agreed to a cut with Sanzaar well before any mention was made to the public.
They were always going to have to tell sanzaar they could not cut a team whether TF had made the offer on April 10th or yesterday.
They were never prepared to go back on their word to sanzaar so it would not have mattered when TF made the offer.
The timing is inconsequential, they are just a bunch of donkey's.
 
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TOCC

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I agree the timing is inconsequential, ARU knew from day 1 who it was they were going to cut, hence the 48-72hr time line they first suggested. Force never stood a chance.
 
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Moono75

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Lets just hope Senator Reynolds pushes on with calling for the Senate Inquiry so the dirty muck and deceitful tactics of the ARU is spilled to the public and their incompetence as a board and an organisation is exposed and causes them untold embarrassment.
 
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