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David Wilson (68)
Agreed. Ditto with what they are trying to do for Plan A.
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Agreed. Ditto with what they are trying to do for Plan A.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Plan b is what we do first and foremost to support 5 teams in super rugby as well as working alongside that for alternative plan which is where my points about trialling things like expanded/ longer nrc comments come in.
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David Wilson (68)
For me some key issues outside of the obvious (Plan B):
1. A sensible draw - Bulls went the first 7 games with only one home game. Aus teams fared better but not much.
2. Take opportunity in the draw for local specifics - eg
2.1 On ANZAC weekend Aus teams should play Kiwi teams (presuming both Aus and NZ are in the comp. Becomes mute if we split).
2.2 Perhaps Waratah v Reds timing considers what the schedule is for SOO.
2.3 No timetable clashes with important local club rugby matches. Or other rugby programmes that mean it's difficult for rugby players to attend the Pro games.
2.4 In the smaller RUs take care to avoid direct clashes with other big games in AFL/NRL/Soccer etc
3. 7 homes games a season isnt enough I think to build a base.
4. A system of progression through to the finals that does not require rocket science.
These things are basic stuff and simply remove the more blatant errors in Super as it is currently offered.
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Dick Tooth (41)
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Michael Lynagh (62)
It is pretty basic for me I want to be able to a) follow my team easily (which getting up for 2am game in SA I cannot) and watch competitive games (which against NZ teams we don't have).
So yes not just a matter for me of lets have a Trans Tasman comp with same Oz and NZ teams as addresses a) but not b). Much more thinking would need to go into what would make a Trans Tasman competition appealing (for NZ and more importantly the fans) and a success (linked to latter).
Easiest thought is just to cut number of oz teams in the mix but we know this is not ideal for growth of our game and presence of professional teams in the regions. But unless other ideas come to the forefront (e.g. allowing better flow of oz/nz players across teams in comp) or the dream of billionaire coming to party to throw money at it to grow the game, we can only resort to cutting a team imo.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Recent converts to ideas of a new local competition and developing the famous Plan B, I think have under estimated the complexity of these ideas.
More than most I have SCREAMED as loud as anyone and more than most to get out of Super Rugby, and from the late 90's [meaning I have been thinking about how to bring about change a long time]. I always said it needs a 4 year time table.
For me the negligence being shown by the ARU beggars belief. The non development of a plan B and to lead the discussion into a plan B is beyond inept and incompetent as said IMO its negligence.
The first needed to do is determine how to honour the existing broadcast deals. You just can't walk on existing broadcast deals and work hard for the broadcasters. Unless you want to sued to bankruptcy and never awarded a broadcast deal again.
Second you need to involve all stakeholders in the discussion so you don't create even more division and this simply takes time.
Finally we need to sell our concepts to broadcasters, Australian & NZ broadcasters don't pay enough and currently the big broadcast revenue is from SA & Europe. Meaning we need to sell the competition to Europe.
AS I see it we are already short by at least a year.
If we wait for another year or even more to develop then we will never get plan B to a level that gives it a chance to work.
The delay, constant negative press as we are hidden away on subscription TV does little to engage new supporters and or sponsors.
It greatly saddens me the place the ARU have delivered us too today.
More than most I have SCREAMED as loud as anyone and more than most to get out of Super Rugby, and from the late 90's [meaning I have been thinking about how to bring about change a long time]. I always said it needs a 4 year time table.
For me the negligence being shown by the ARU beggars belief. The non development of a plan B and to lead the discussion into a plan B is beyond inept and incompetent as said IMO its negligence.
The first needed to do is determine how to honour the existing broadcast deals. You just can't walk on existing broadcast deals and work hard for the broadcasters. Unless you want to sued to bankruptcy and never awarded a broadcast deal again.
Second you need to involve all stakeholders in the discussion so you don't create even more division and this simply takes time.
Finally we need to sell our concepts to broadcasters, Australian & NZ broadcasters don't pay enough and currently the big broadcast revenue is from SA & Europe. Meaning we need to sell the competition to Europe.
AS I see it we are already short by at least a year.
If we wait for another year or even more to develop then we will never get plan B to a level that gives it a chance to work.
The delay, constant negative press as we are hidden away on subscription TV does little to engage new supporters and or sponsors.
It greatly saddens me the place the ARU have delivered us too today.
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Dick Tooth (41)
I can assure you I had very little support and most through I was crazy.
My reasons were simple, over time hidden away on subscription TV, not many teams to build from, 100+ year traditions cast aside, Murdoch, crazy hours in SA.
I could never see Super Rugby growing rugby, simply as means to enough revenue to stop league raiding us.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
We know what they don't want, but we keep on giving to them.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
End of the week? Going by the past where 48-72 hours results in months, we'll be lucky to know by Christmas!
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
At the moment, Australian rugby doesn't have the money to participate in a trans-continental competition whether it's 5 teams, 4 teams, 3 teams or less.
Why would any sponsor pay money to support teams who are barely visible and at times invisible? The whole thing is madness.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Don't disagree but we need to slowly get out of super rugby which is probably 2020 with a plan b we start working on now. To not start the work on a plan b would be suicidal. But our fear our beloved ARU is like a deer in headlights at the moment so can't say I would trust them with finding our salvation.
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David Wilson (68)
Agree 100%. They should actually be on to a plan now so that it would be fully costed, planned and structured by the beginning of 2019, to be launched by the end of 2019 and hit the ground running at the start of 2020.
Unfortunately the track record of rugby administration in this country leads me to believe that nothing will happen and we'll get to 2020 and look around and say, "so what do we do now?".
It's a five year deal right?
It ends in 2020, not 2019.
It ends in 2020, not 2019.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Pretty much as to where we got to with the latest sanzaar clusterf$&k and cutting a team in 48-72 hours and the what do we now pathetic run around trying to just find legal grounds to cut a team let alone making sure it is the right one to cut. They should make a mini series out of the aru...or better still probably a good movie sketch for the comedy of the year.
If you read a story like this you would have to think it is non fiction as like many find it hard to believe just how farcical it has become.
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Steve Williams (59)
If the current broadcasting deal is not broken (something something Force but not important here) Super Rugby is contracted to run through July 2020: as according to the new Calender there will NOT be Summer Tours in post World Cup Years.
That means in a mere 3 years, we will probably have reached a functionally identically place to where we are now: Super Rugby is over, what the fuck does our pro Rugby look like in 6 months time?
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That means in a mere 3 years, we will probably have reached a functionally identically place to where we are now: Super Rugby is over, what the fuck does our pro Rugby look like in 6 months time?
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Pity it does not end next year as can anybody imagine what it will look like in 2020 if we persist with super rugby as proposed for next year.
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Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Doubt the game will be solvent in Australia in three years the way it's going.
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David Wilson (68)
You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.
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