Sharpe came over as the inaugural Captain and was hardly a big name
Gits was a biggish name
Sharpe came over as the inaugural Captain and was hardly a big name,
Gits was a biggish name,
JOC (James O'Connor) and Poey both came through the WF system after coming over as 16yr olds
I think, JOC (James O'Connor) played his first game as a 18yr old and from memory I think Poey got special permission as a 17yr old, not sure exactly.
Edit: if my memory serves me well,
Sharpe came over because he was overlooked for Qld Capt
Gits because he wanted to leave home and the chance to play 10
Neither of them were a Mortlock or Beale at the time (not a reference to the Rebs)
Big names for us those days were anyone that had a starting position in their provincial team, of those that came over when they came over, you could of counted them on one hand.
I thought it related to mining and lots of money that brought players across. And then the money didn't make it's way to the players.
Can't recall, but something promised wasn't delivered and Force want at fault.
Yeah I know.FirePower, magic fuel pills, not handouts from the ARU.
Keep in mind as well that really only applied to big players, Pocock & JOC (James O'Connor) were super young when they moved over. JOC (James O'Connor) went to high school here for example.
I think you misremember things.Sharpe came over as the inaugural Captain and was hardly a big name,
Gits was a biggish name,
JOC (James O'Connor) and Poey both came through the WF system after coming over as 16yr olds
I think, JOC (James O'Connor) played his first game as a 18yr old and from memory I think Poey got special permission as a 17yr old, not sure exactly.
Edit: if my memory serves me well,
Sharpe came over because he was overlooked for Qld Capt
Gits because he wanted to leave home and the chance to play 10
Neither of them were a Mortlock or Beale at the time (not a reference to the Rebs)
Big names for us those days were anyone that had a starting position in their provincial team, of those that came over when they came over, you could of counted them on one hand.
No he did not.JOC (James O'Connor) went to high school here for example.
Do all states want 4 franchises? I wasn't aware that the WARU and VRU wanted that. The Rebels apparently do, but they have a different ownership.
The players are also going to lose out. The only winners will be the lawyers.
I thought it related to mining and lots of money that brought players across. And then the money didn't make it's way to the players.
Can't recall, but something promised wasn't delivered and Force was not at fault.
FirePower, magic fuel pills, not handouts from the ARU.
Keep in mind as well that really only applied to big players, Pocock & JOC (James O'Connor) were super young when they moved over. JOC (James O'Connor) went to high school here for example.
JOC (James O'Connor) and Pocock came over for contracts and both played their first year there. They did not come through the WF system, they came through the Qld system. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
Id say for Poey Zimbabwe/QLD system capped with Futute Force.
I think the key point being made is that there were no special dispensations or additional capital given to the Force by the ARU at their inception which allowed them to attract the 'big name' players that they did, irrespective of where they may have gone to school or how big a player they were at the time. The Force have also not needed bailing out until very recently and even then they weren't bailed out but rather forced / coerced to sell their IP for the required funds.
I believe the Rebels received additional marquee allowances on inception and have received far more funding / bailouts / debt write-offs from the ARU in their much shorter time in the competition. Similar to the Force, I don't believe they were offered extra funding / salary cap on start-up, so the overall salary cap of players including ARU top-ups has been disadvantageous to them both.
Basically both weren't given adequate resources to allow them to be competitive at start-up (as opposed to how the AFL assists new clubs), but the rebels have been a far greater financial strain on the ARU and will likely to be so in the future.
I think you misremember things.
Nathan Sharpe hit his 50 cap mark in his first year at the Force, or his 4th of test rugby. He was a big name, a starting Wallaby at the World Cup 3 years earlier.
Gitts was the BIGGEST name, 5 years in Wallabies, and a WC. He was young, flashy, and was on all the kids' posters. Almost a direct analogue to the Rebels' Beale or JOC (James O'Connor) signings.
JOC (James O'Connor) and Pocock came over for contracts and both played their first year there. They did not come through the WF system, they came through the Qld system.
No he did not.
You are correct these are not the words I would use, and no, they are not relative, it's a statement based on nothing. Not even logical projections of the current state of things.Its all relative and maybe not the words you would use.
The point being we did not buy a big group of stars as was stated.
Sharpe was probably, imo at the time without injuries, Australia's 4th choice lock.
Sure Gits was high profile
Poey was not a big name when he came here.
He toured with the Australian Schoolboys to the UK in December 2005 and on his return moved to Perth to join the Western Force for their inaugural 2006 season on an apprentice contract. After initially being unable to play Super Rugby having not yet turned 18, he made his run-on debut for the Western Force in their last game of the season against the Sharks in Durban.
Same with JOC (James O'Connor)
O'Connor became the youngest ever Super Rugby debutant at age 17, and the second youngest Wallaby in Australian rugby history at age 18
He came over for a contract and was capped in his first year. I don't think he spent any time in the future Force.
By that logic, as an example, we have Melbourne and America to thank for Liam Gill's talents.
Sharpe came over as the inaugural Captain and was hardly a big name,
Edit: if my memory serves me well,
Sharpe came over because he was overlooked for Qld Capt
Is there no end to the rubbish you put out mate
So now Nudgee College is in Perth
You just keep Trumping yourself
So in the interests of accuracy and pedantry, JOC (James O'Connor) played Oz Schools out of Nudgee College in 2007 . In 2008 he became the youngest ever Super Rugby player and the second youngest ever Wallaby . I haven't seen or heard anything that indicates he was still at school whilst playing for the Force and the Wallabies.I believe he went to Hale College for a time, I am not saying that has anything to do with anything but it is an indicator of how young he was at the time and not necessarily the finished product.
More or less that a player coming over here who still has to finish his schooling probably has at least a portion of his professional development coming from his adopted home.
He was by no means a big contract star.
I believe he went to Hale College for a time, I am not saying that has anything to do with anything but it is an indicator of how young he was at the time and not necessarily the finished product.
More or less that a player coming over here who still has to finish his schooling probably has at least a portion of his professional development coming from his adopted home.
He was by no means a big contract star.