Where to for Super Rugby?

[hoggy]

NZRU CEO sums NZ attitudes with this comment; “We don’t understand what the issues, or concerns, are.’’

How you can be so blissfully unaware about the issues faced.

My thoughts as well. I couldn't believe that statement, and then you remember 20 years of Super rugby and the penny drops.

 

[Tomikin]

Maybe it is just that - TT really a nzru designed competition to suit Nzru interests and agendas so perhaps best for RA to bail from it and focus on own super rugby competition and start again negotiations with Jrfu and nzru on champions league on equal footing. And maybe take the nzru example and take the lead and negotiate with Jrfu and then negotiate with nzru later on their involvement.

You got it in a nutshell, let's review our options and see what's best for us... NZ need us for alot of things, we on the other hand don't. We are already in the shit.. let's take control of our fate

 

[Adam84]

Because RA has forgotten to actually tell them what concerns are. NZR's job is to sort out NZR's issues, and not try and guess RA's which seems even they can't agree what it is, as seems their board is divided.
Although Robinson refused to fire verbal shots at the Aussies for going to the media, rather than NZ Rugby, to air concerns about next year’s proposed 12-team trans-Tasman competition he must be getting tired of these shenanigans.
Funny that, fancy not using the media, maybe just sums up the difference, one lot thinks you should talk to each other, and not play games in media, the other

But anyway, I am convinced all are looking at working towards same goal, just maybe different ways of doing it.

mate are you really trying to tell me that the CEO of NZRU isn’t aware of concerns over the suitability of the TT tournament? Did he even watch a game?

If he isn’t tracking the potential issues with the tournament design then he is an idiot.

 

[Tomikin]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/...ans-tasman-competition-in-rugbys-ratings-war/

 

[Adam84]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/...ans-tasman-competition-in-rugbys-ratings-war/

Someone should forward it to NZRU CEO, he doesn’t understand what the concerns or issues are.

 

[hoggy]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/...ans-tasman-competition-in-rugbys-ratings-war/

The guys a breath of fresh air on the Roar, especially considering the regular weekly commentators are very pro-active TT, and that bias comes out ever so subtlety in there articles.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Someone should forward it to NZRU CEO, he doesn’t understand what the concerns or issues are.

This roar article really nailed it for me that I actually am starting to agree it is maybe time to just pull up stumps and revert to domestic competition as main focus and focus on champions league with Japan and nz. Otherwise we seem to be just heading down the same path we have been down the last decade. I would rather watch super rugby Au close contests as rugby good enough for me knowing RA will still try to improve the standard with broader reforms (and hopefully good investments from PE money).

 

[Zero_Cool]

One thing I am constantly flawed by is why will a Fiji team or a PI team (or both) suddenly be competitive against the New Zealand teams. Like I'm sorry but I'm not sure Leinster or Toulon would be competitive against those New Zealand teams! (Obviously I'm exaggerating... We all know they wouldn't be. /s)

But what are the NZRU thinking, what Rugby Australia isn't trying, that you can just try hard enough and you'll beat New Zealand easy... Like I'm sorry but the Crusades would beat any Test Team outside the top 10, and could maybe beat teams outside the top 5.

I could get a Japanese/Fijian/PI team(s) against the Aussie teams, but against New Zealand what's the point. The NZRU want Super Rugby to be at the same level as Test Rugby but I'm sorry, that's just not possible for anyone else in World Rugby.

 

[hoggy]

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/ra-we...-union-ahead-of-super-rugby-inclusion-2021626


"The package will help and support Fiji Rugby's programs to be capable of inclusion in both Super Rugby and Super W as early as next year."

Now this is interesting.

 

[Adam84]

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/ra-we...-union-ahead-of-super-rugby-inclusion-2021626


"The package will help and support Fiji Rugby's programs to be capable of inclusion in both Super Rugby and Super W as early as next year."

Now this is interesting.

Not surprising, Australian Govt has been pushing the sports diplomacy angle in the Asia-Pacific a fair bit recently. This seems like a pretty easy win with a big return.

This all but guarantees that the Drua will be part of the Australia competition from 2022 then I'd imagine, which is the sensible option given Australia Rugby supported them previously as part of the NRC.

That leaves NZ with MP (Moana Pasifika).

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Not surprising, Australian Govt has been pushing the sports diplomacy angle in the Asia-Pacific a fair bit recently. This seems like a pretty easy win with a big return.

This all but guarantees that the Drua will be part of the Australia competition from 2022 then I'd imagine, which is the sensible option given Australia Rugby supported them previously as part of the NRC.

That leaves NZ with MP (Moana Pasifika).

Very interesting indeed. We may yet have our 6 team domestic super rugby au competition next year.

 

[Dan54]

Have fun.. at rugby and it went to 400 was the max rating. But it shows though that everyone loves a winner.. and we need winners in Aus.

Ok mate that's great, does that mean 400000 watched a bit of game and not all? I really don't understand why ratings have 220000 and then 400000? One would hope the 400000 were at end of game and not beginning. And who actually gives these figure, I must admit to being a bit ignorant and thought there was only one rating site. Anyway I agree was great to get thet many watch at least one game!

 

[Dan54]

One thing I am constantly flawed by is why will a Fiji team or a PI team (or both) suddenly be competitive against the New Zealand teams. Like I'm sorry but I'm not sure Leinster or Toulon would be competitive against those New Zealand teams! (Obviously I'm exaggerating. We all know they wouldn't be. /s)

Doubt whether NZR thinks Drua or MP (Moana Pasifika) etc will suddenly be competitive, but the feeling seems to be that the game has helped in PIs and so helping them getting up and running, so they can hopefully offer their young players a chance to play proper pro rugby is a start.
Seems perhaps the PIs have a different mindset to some Australians, and are prepared to have a go.
I do agree it a risk, but think the probable benefits will make the struggle worth it.

 

[Dan54]

mate are you really trying to tell me that the CEO of NZRU isn’t aware of concerns over the suitability of the TT tournament? Did he even watch a game?

If he isn’t tracking the potential issues with the tournament design then he is an idiot.

Mate, I would hope that NZR CEO is not tracking anything in papers and would only hear from RA what issues there are to discuss etc.
But I guess we will agree to disagree, I always think boards etc should talk to each other, seems the opposite for a few in here and seem to think that it should be done through media.
Guess this is why we live in the world we do.

 

[KOB1987]

Because you alienate anyone not from Qld and NSW, and possible them as well.. The whole 5 into 3 just doesn't fly, there's no history of the teams no actual passion.

It flies if your one of the 90% of rugby supporters from NSW or Qld. I’d hugely get behind a proper NSW team v the kiwis and Qld, and for the sake of competitiveness I think those having to support ‘the rest’ would suck it up in what would effectively be wallabies selection trials.

 

[Adam84]

Mate, I would hope that NZR CEO is not tracking anything in papers and would only hear from RA what issues there are to discuss etc.
But I guess we will agree to disagree, I always think boards etc should talk to each other, seems the opposite for a few in here and seem to think that it should be done through media.
Guess this is why we live in the world we do.

He didn’t need to read papers to identify issues or concerns, only had to watch the actual games. I don’t condone wilful ignorance, to act as though he is was completely unaware is just BS, surely you don’t buy that crap.

Agree there’s communication issues between the boards, goes right back to NZRU releasing their own reports on the number of teams Australia should have without even talking to the RA board.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Doubt whether NZR thinks Drua or MP (Moana Pasifika) etc will suddenly be competitive, but the feeling seems to be that the game has helped in PIs and so helping them getting up and running, so they can hopefully offer their young players a chance to play proper pro rugby is a start.
Seems perhaps the PIs have a different mindset to some Australians, and are prepared to have a go.
I do agree it a risk, but think the probable benefits will make the struggle worth it.

Err that is because PI teams don’t have as many choices as we do (ie now running our own super rugby au competition). I suspect the Australian government funding for Fiji rugby will see drua align with super rugby AU and if I was a betting man I would bet on super rugby 6 team 2 round competition with Fiji involved and a one round TT or champions league with nz conference 6 teams which includes MP (Moana Pasifika). I am still adamant that until nzru allows open border policy to allow the MPs, Druas and oz teams to have ‘proper’ access to depth it will be a missed opportunity for creating long term better competition and better pathways closer to home for nz rugby depth. I know you disagree Dan but still stating my views on this which unlikely to change.

 

[Dan54]

He didn’t need to read papers to identify issues or concerns, only had to watch the actual games. I don’t condone wilful ignorance, to act as though he is was completely unaware is just BS, surely you don’t buy that crap.

Agree there’s communication issues between the boards, goes right back to NZRU releasing their own reports on the number of teams Australia should have without even talking to the RA board.

I have no doubt he watched games, he would of seen the big crowds at Suncorp for the final, probably the second biggest crowd when Reds played Crusaders, and also the crowds at Sydney and Melbourne.
Look mate. of course he know the issues, but maybe as I said difference how we think it should be done, you either go to papers and say your own board doesn't know what it wants but you want a comp like such and such, or you talk to your own board , work out what you want and then tell the people involved. Well maybe I expect too much from people to talk face to face, and you don't so we obviously have different ways of living .

 

[Dan54]

Err that is because PI teams don’t have as many choices as we do (ie now running our own super rugby au competition). I suspect the Australian government funding for Fiji rugby will see drua align with super rugby AU and if I was a betting man I would bet on super rugby 6 team 2 round competition with Fiji involved and a one round TT or champions league with nz conference 6 teams which includes MP (Moana Pasifika). I am still adamant that until nzru allows open border policy to allow the MPs, Druas and oz teams to have ‘proper’ access to depth it will be a missed opportunity for creating long term better competition and better pathways closer to home for nz rugby depth. I know you disagree Dan but still stating my views on this which unlikely to change.

So tell me, do you think PI teams should be in Super?
And will you be refusing to watch it if RA doesn't make Australian players available for Drua?

 

[Rugbynutter39]

He didn’t need to read papers to identify issues or concerns, only had to watch the actual games. I don’t condone wilful ignorance, to act as though he is was completely unaware is just BS, surely you don’t buy that crap.

Agree there’s communication issues between the boards, goes right back to NZRU releasing their own reports on the number of teams Australia should have without even talking to the RA board.

It is sad to see such poor relationships between nzru as if you see the communication in the media from both sides it is clear it is acrimonious. I think it is almost inevitable we are better to do something where don’t have to have RA and NzRu working as closely together like full TT as the level of distrust, antagonism, and egos between 2 organisations is too great to do something which requires very close collaboration. Hence yes domestic competition each can shape and champions league which includes japan. JPRFU involvement may stop the Bs that occurs in nzru and RA discussions and non collaborative behaviours