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Where is JON hiding?

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Jiggles

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Got to agree with WJ here. JONs involvement with ECHO hasn't been to the detriment of the ARU. The clusterfuck this year has been coming, very predictably, for a number of seasons now and would have happened regardless of whether JON was or was not the chairman of ECHO.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
No, the man is being criticised for not performing his job (see results) and yet taking another one.

The silly arguments are that
  • none of us has seen his daily diary,
  • or that Chairman of a failing company is the same as any NED,
  • or that "because my contract doesn't say no it's a good idea to do it.
They're the ones that you're making.

None of those things are silly, most of them aren't points ive made but out of context quotes designed again to mock instead of actually proving a single instance or conflict with the two jobs he is currently doing.

His schedule - please tell me when there has been a conflict, I have asked several times, not one person has illustrated anything. I'm not saying there hasn't been, but as I have said his thread is about hm being missing at the wheel, there should be an example of this otherwise the thread sold have been closed as it is useless.

I never said positions were the same & point three, never said it was a good or bad idea, just that he is doing something he is allowed to do and as there is no proof to the contrary he appears to be fitting both in.

What results are you discussing, wallaby results? Financial? Forward planning?

I assume your talking about wallaby results which are the results of a team put in place before he got a second job and one that will be reviewed following the rugby championship next weekend. Is the fact that he hasn't made public comment of this somehow means to show he isn't doing it?
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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I got half way through a reply before giving you some credit for that one Jiggles.

As for your WJ I'm rule 10'ing myself.
 
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Jiggles

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I got half way through a reply before giving you some credit for that one Jiggles.

As for your WJ I'm rule 10'ing myself.

I don't agree with him taking up this position, not one little bit. However I just don't see how him not taking up has anything to do with, the current shit storm that is Australian Rugby. Its been coming for a very very long time.
 

Roundawhile

Billy Sheehan (19)
WJ, please look at the post I placed in the"The dying - perhaps death - of Rugby in Australia. ' thread.

The feeling of a number of people is that Rugby in Aus is not as it should be. And to me that means that despite your almost evangelical support of JoN, I believe that the buck stops at the top.

I cannot provide any 'proof' or evidence that JoN is not doing his job other than to say that Aus Rugby is not where we should be.

I understand that you were at a function where he spoke and you liked what you heard, but I will put a different proposition to you. Had Jon governed better, there would not have needed the degree of cost cutting required in the last 18 months. He is being paid almost $1M a year, but I believe he has been largely ineffective, no actually in my opinion (please note the emphasis) he has been detrimental to Aus Rugby.

You have stated on numerous occasions that his role is to look after the dollars so that the players, coaching, support, medical etc staff can focus on their roles without worrying about money. Well I contend that he has failed on numerous levels.

He doesn't limit himself to a hands off oversight role, he (again in my opinion) feels that he has to take control over areas that are best left to specialist subordinates. My biggest concern with Jon is his selection of his subordinates and his failure to apply rigorous standards as to their performance. He has appointed them and that is good enough; RD Nuci et al.

As a CEO it is your role to assess your staff's and the organisations performance by índependant and verifiable review. This is patently not happening, to the extent that it is laughable.

His instigation of the salary cap is another indictment on his inability to run this organisation in the manner needed. You may argue (and you have done so) that this is necessary cost cutting. I would argue that a better CEO would not after 4 or 5 years at the helm would have to resort to this.

The reduction in squad size is a duplication of the paragragh above.

Same for the amalgamation of the academies.

From my perspective, I see a JoN as more of an abrasive grandstander aka Alan Joyce (Lets trash everything Australian about QANTAS and watch it grind into the ground) rather than a Twiggy Forrest who tries to work with people.

What would I do differently you ask? That's very simple. Appoint me to be the CEO of the ARU and my first act would be to go into caretaker role untill I could fast track an Independant Commission to run the ARU.

Anything less is unacceptable. We deserve better than what we have at the moment.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Roundawhile - again you illustrate the point I am making. I haven't actually defended JONs cost cutting, I've given examples of why it was needed.

Fact is and the one I keep bringing up is, this thread is about JON "hiding" or being absent from work de to his involvment with Echo, you have brought up points that are good discussion points but irrelevant to the thread and the opinion without proof that JON isn't giving enough time t the ArU.

I'm sure under a different CEO the game would be thriving and money pouring in. I look forward to it after JON finishes his contract next year.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
WJ - read rule 10.
Point made umpteen times.
This applies to all of us.
This thread is going nowhere.
 

ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
Forget the politically correct codswallop you are peddling WJ. As a private citizen we have no ability to (nor should be able to) monitor how JON spends his working week. [/strawman]

In the end, it is isn't unreasonable to expect the guy at the top of the ARU who is renumerated an amount the average bloke will take 12 years to earn should be intently focused on growing the game and fixing the problems within Australian Rugby. If Echo was in good shape and Australian Rugby was on the up it would be reasonable.

The idea that JON has a second job isn't the issue here, it's specifically that the two jobs he currently has warrant his full time attention if he plans to do them to the best of his ability.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
I'm not sure I'm allowed to answer, but seeing as you directed it at me I will.

The entire thread, if you read the first post, is about JoN being absent. He isn't. I'm not expecting someone to know each movement or his whole schedule, but if your going to draw the bow that the problems with Australian rugby are created by his second job or that he isn't doing enough to address them due to his involvment at Echo then you should back that up with something that illustrates it, not a feeling.

I agree it isn't a good look, I've already said that. I'm not being PC, like with the crap being sprouted about the Tahs this year a lot of it is just people wanting to kick someone without actual factual evidence or even hard speculation from credible sources to base anything on.

The idea that JoN has a second job is the purpose of the entire thread, to say that both warrant his full time attention is fine, that's an opinion and your welcome to it. I'm no expert on CEO job descriptions, but I do draw a line at saying he is neglecting his duties if there isn't an example of it.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
After reported disquiet within the ARU about O'Neill not devoting full attention to the present unravelling problems in Australian rugby with his time compromised attending pressing matters at Echo, it doesn't look like it's just business as usual at St Leonards. O'Neill is not just a director of Echo, he is chairman. And Echo is not humming along smoothly, it's in crisis. O'Neill has become the de facto chief executive there, and focused on a learning curve after three months in the job.
  • O'Neill refuses to fold

    September 29, 2012: Colin Kruger and Elizabeth Knight

    ... Rugby supremo O'Neill has only been in place since June, when James Packer's campaign for control of the casino operator led the board to knife its chairman of the time, John Story.

    ... O'Neill is the only remaining authority on Echo's threadbare board, but insiders, who spoke of factional fighting and disarray, say this is part of the problem.

    ...
    O'Neill is not known for being hands off. Insiders say he effectively became an executive chairman with clear views on how things would run. Apparently this did not include keeping his chief executive and the few remaining directors in the loop at a time when the company's future as a stand-alone entity was in doubt..
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/oneill-refuses-to-fold-20120928-26qxr.html#ixzz27xBHsAAl

As a Aus rugby fan, one cannot let the delicious irony of the above highlights (mine) pass. Here we have two very reputable business writers effectively commenting upon what they hear of JON's attitudes to boards he's 'inherited'. I wonder what this tightly compressed comment - assuming a modicum of correctness - might imply has occurred to the ARU board and its management underlings since JO'N reassumed control of it in 2007, and whilst there were not great changes to that board as I recall since his departure from it in 2004.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
That's a letter, when did John open it, or did his secretary open it then put it on the pile for echo that John didn't touch til he completed his duties for the ARU?

Still zero proof of any impact to his hours or duties at the ARU. Just people putting the boot in. I hope whoever replaces JON doesn't have a family or any outside interests as apparantly 24/7 is the required hours.
Wrong: even on your assumption an ARU employee spent our time opening an echo letter and putting it in this imaginary pile you've set up.
Don't worry WJ, it's only a flesh wound.


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ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
As a Aus rugby fan, one cannot let the delicious irony of the above highlights (mine) pass. Here we have two very reputable business writers effectively commenting upon what they hear of JON's attitudes to boards he's 'inherited'. I wonder what this tightly compressed comment - assuming a modicum of correctness - might imply has occurred to the ARU board and its management underlings since JO'N reassumed control of it in 2007, and whilst there were not great changes to that board as I recall since his departure from it in 2004.

Knight has been all over the Echo issues for some time. She's written another piece this morning with the announcement that Katie Lahey has been appointed to the Board.

Lahey's appointment would be as a strong positive move - now Crown links/baggage, was an excellent lobbyist when CEO of the BCA, and doesn't have any major stuff ups.

Some may even argue that this move would free up more time for JON to do his other "fulltime" job.... :)
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Knight has been all over the Echo issues for some time. She's written another piece this morning with the announcement that Katie Lahey has been appointed to the Board.

Lahey's appointment would be as a strong positive move - now Crown links/baggage, was an excellent lobbyist when CEO of the BCA, and doesn't have any major stuff ups.

Some may even argue that this move would free up more time for JON to do his other "fulltime" job.. :)

Most grateful to you for that mention of the latest Knight artlcle today:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/lahey-to-take-seat-on-echo-board-20121001-26vi8.html

For anyone naive enough (wantonly or otherwise) to argue that JO'N's role at Echo is just a few trivial extra hours a week that would have no meaningful time or focus conflicts with his other big job at the ARU, this article may prove a helpful upgrade to your understanding of corporate life in the higher reaches. (The unassailable forensic proof that WJ requires is yet missing though, it may turn up in time.)

And the article contains this pearl:

O'Neill is widely viewed to have a friendly relationship with Packer. But he is now facing mounting criticism that he is exercising too much control over Echo and running it like a fiefdom

"....too much control.......running it like a fiefdom....". Hmmm, an echo from other times, other places?

And finally, note that a co-author of the major upcoming report on ARU/national rugby governance matters, Mark Arbib, is a close and paid adviser to James Packer.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
And finally, note that a co-author of the major upcoming report on ARU/national rugby governance matters, Mark Arbib, is a close and paid adviser to James Packer.

I'm feeling sick.
Its only going to get worse: Lahey has to be told what to think by JON as well or he'll bone her (in the channel 9 sense of that expression).
 
J

Jiggles

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And finally, note that a co-author of the major upcoming report on ARU/national rugby governance matters, Mark Arbib, is a close and paid adviser to James Packer.

Ironic that a labor and union man through and through is a paid adviser to Packer..
 

The Red Baron

Chilla Wilson (44)
You know who I blame the most for all of this? Manchester United.

If they hadn't stuffed old John around and actually given him that job, he wouldn't be bothering us with his ability to meet multiple commitments.

In fact, I would go as far to say that some of us would have helped him pack, had he gotten the gig with Manchester United.
 
J

Jiggles

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You know who I blame the most for all of this? Manchester United.

If they hadn't stuffed old John around and actually given him that job, he wouldn't be bothering us with his ability to meet multiple commitments.

In fact, I would go as far to say that some of us would have helped him pack, had he gotten the gig with Manchester United.

Manchester City.
 
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