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Waylon's Axe

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Simmons............doesn't bring enough physicality to rugby tests against teams from the BIG 5. He is easily outmuscled. A great prospect for the future, I just don't think he should be playing the quarters, semis and hopefully final at the RWC

Mccabe.........not a 12. Nonu cut us to ribbons yesterday. McCabe spent a lot of time watching him carve us up. Mccabe brought nothing to the attack. he is too slow to play 12 and is a plodder. He tucks it under his arm and jogs it up where he gets smashed behind the ad line and the opposition floods our breakdown.

Elsom........is luggage. he spends his time in the backline because he can't keep up with play with his preference being outside numbers 11 and 14. Not enough hurt, pain and go forward. His best is past. The axe must fall while we still have a chance of winning Bill.

McCalman.........a good player but just not enough impact in BIG tests
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I think Simmons has shown enough at test and provincial level that he's worth persevering with. He had a good game against the Boks and will be good again. McCabe offered nothing, as you say. He might get one more crack at it next week or it might be time for Ant to come into 12. I'm personally hoping that Barnes is fit, but I'm not hanging my hat on it. Elsom is a worry, especially as he is captain. I don't think Deans is going to do anything about it though, which is even more of a concern. Totally agree on McCalman, he's not at the required level yet. At least not as a starter.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
I think Simmons & McCabe are good & definitely worth sticking with.

McCalman just isn't the dominate #8 we need at least with Palu, Samo or Higginbotham they'll get the hard yards or pull off a big hit when we need it.

I think we really need Barnes back at 12 or hopefully Ant Fainga'a can bring his Super 15 form to the test arena.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
By far the biggest thing (in this context) that needs immediate axing: our national coach's relentlessly stubborn, pig-headed, never-admit-error approach to his selections and 'pets'. If that axing was to occur, we'd be in a position to make the multiple changes needed to team structure essential to mounting performances superior to last night's. Without that more open, grown-up mindset within the 3 national selectors, we will repeat much, progress little.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
By far the biggest thing (in this context) that needs immediate axing: our national coach's relentlessly stubborn, pig-headed, never-admit-error approach to his selections and 'pets'. If that axing was to occur, we'd be in a position to make the multiple changes needed to team structure essential to mounting performances superior to last night's. Without that more open, grown-up mindset within the 3 national selectors, we will repeat much, progress little.

Can you and gnostic pull the plug on the broken record. Face the facts deans is not going to be sacked before the rwc. Chances are if we don't make it to the final he will be moved on afterwards so let's wait and see.

He is not the sole reason why the wallabies aren't world number 1. That starts a lot deeper down than the wallaby coach. Take the performance of our provincial sides as an example.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
I think Simmons has shown enough at test and provincial level that he's worth persevering with. He had a good game against the Boks and will be good again. McCabe offered nothing, as you say. He might get one more crack at it next week or it might be time for Ant to come into 12. I'm personally hoping that Barnes is fit, but I'm not hanging my hat on it. Elsom is a worry, especially as he is captain. I don't think Deans is going to do anything about it though, which is even more of a concern. Totally agree on McCalman, he's not at the required level yet. At least not as a starter.

I thought you said that we couldn't win without Elsom. ;)
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I did and still stand behind that, but jeez my confidence is wavering. For me the issue has always been twofold: who is our best 6 and who should be captain? Overall, I still think Rocky is our best blindside, but his performance yesterday was concerning. He was far from alone though. The captaincy is another matter. He should not be captain and that is the thing I would like Deans to address first, but I can't see it happening.
 

bryce

Darby Loudon (17)
is it just me or does Elsom look a fair bit smaller than what he did a few years back? He looks a fair bit leaner than his pre Leinster and Leinster playing days.

Also, in terms of physicality, why is it that blokes like Elsom, McCalman etc are the same weight as blokes like Kaino and Read, yet don't have the same ability to smash blokes and get over the advantage line?
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I think body positioning and intent do a lot to explain it. Elsom and McCalman run fairly upright into contact and that makes it much easier to knock them back in a collision. It's always been a problem for Aussie forwards in my opinion. Guys like Kaino lead with their shoulder. They also appear to have a bit more mongrel in them, which is important in positions like blindside. Rocky doesn't seem to have that as much in him any more. If anything, I reckon he's gone into his shell a bit.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Also, in terms of physicality, why is it that blokes like Elsom, McCalman etc are the same weight as blokes like Kaino and Read, yet don't have the same ability to smash blokes and get over the advantage line?

Fucking flat footed! Both of them all the dam time, especially Elsom, frustrates the crap out of me. Higginbotham runs from depth and with speed, hence his ability to break the line consistantly. Even when caught flat footed Higgers usually makes it over the adv line.

I think he or Radike need to be in the starting side at 8 for this week, and I say that with no Reds bias whatsoever....promise haha
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
And replace with who? These players are the best we have. it's the coach that's the problem
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Can you and gnostic pull the plug on the broken record. Face the facts deans is not going to be sacked before the rwc. Chances are if we don't make it to the final he will be moved on afterwards so let's wait and see.

He is not the sole reason why the wallabies aren't world number 1. That starts a lot deeper down than the wallaby coach. Take the performance of our provincial sides as an example.

I will stop singing my song when we see some improvement in the coachable elements of the Wallabies and selection. Also when the appologists, blind patriots and eternal optimists actually critically examine the reasons for a loss instead of just blaming player x,y and z.

I am well aware that Deans will not be sacked before the RWC, the time for that was last year when I called for it. I truly hope that the latest results cause JON to pull the contract extension from the table and say "we will assess you after the RWC Robbie and so far it's not looking good." However we all know that the contract will be signed sealed and delivered before the RWC so unless the RWC wants to pay him out get used to these results until 2014.

Don't like it don't listen, you haven't so far anyway.
 
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qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Fucking flat footed! Both of them all the dam time, especially Elsom, frustrates the crap out of me. Higginbotham runs from depth and with speed, hence his ability to break the line consistantly. Even when caught flat footed Higgers usually makes it over the adv line.

I think he or Radike need to be in the starting side at 8 for this week, and I say that with no Reds bias whatsoever....promise haha

So fucking right. I can't stand our flat footed shit, the Waratahs pack were like this too often this year as well.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Genia is the one that gets them on the front foot, especially with his little snipes then flat passes at the line down the blind. The guys that seem to most profit from that are horwill and Moore who seem to run better lines than other forwards. I recall a moment in the match where Elsom had some space to wind up but still elected to run straight at franks, who despite going high still managed to smash Elsom in the tackle.

Read's body height is always lower than Elsoms and mccalmans, and kaino is no doubt a lot stronger than our boys.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
I will stop singing my song when we see some improvement in the coachable elements of the Wallabies and selection. Also when the appologists, blind patriots and eternal optimists actually critically examine the reasons for a loss instead of just blaming player x,y and z.

I am well aware that Deans will not be sacked before the RWC, the time for that was last year when I called for it. I truly hope that the latest results cause JON to pull the contract extension from the table and say "we will assess you after the RWC Robbie and so far it's not looking good." However we all know that the contract will be signed sealed and delivered before the RWC so unless the RWC wants to pay him out get used to these results until 2014.

Don't like it don't listen, you haven't so far anyway.

I agree that the results he has achieved have been poor. But I don't agree that he is the only problem as you would imply. It isn't like he has any sway on the crapness of the force, rebels and most importantly brumbies. Our players aren't being prepared well before they get to wallaby level (except the reds minus their scrum and tahs minus their backline play).
 

Athilnaur

Arch Winning (36)
For those interested in stats analysis, it's on my blog, but the video analysis is aways out, won' t complete it till later in week. In the meantime...

Setting aside leadership discussion for a sec, my analysis of the game is that the best forwards we fielded out and about on Sat were Horwill, Moore, and Elsom. And yet all three had abysmal missed tackle rates. Why? Because those three were the three that were there trying to mop up our crap gameplay.

Pocock actually had a crap game by his standards. Elsom had a blinder after 4 games all year.

If he'd managed to stop that try by Nonu we'd all be raving about him, but he was the only forward there for that push, and two Wallabies looked on while he tried to hold Nonu out.

Sorry for the rant, but I really wish people would quit their agendas and see things for what they are.

Re Rocky's leadership, The guy bloody puts his heart on his sleeve, he slogs his guts out. Sure he is quiet, that just means you should bloody well listen when he speaks up.

We aren't number one. We have a young team. We lost 3 tries 2. At the toughest ground in rugby. Let's not do post mortems just yet eh? Its the last quarter in the most important period of four years.

Ath.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Can you and gnostic pull the plug on the broken record. Face the facts deans is not going to be sacked before the rwc. Chances are if we don't make it to the final he will be moved on afterwards so let's wait and see....He is not the sole reason why the wallabies aren't world number 1. That starts a lot deeper down than the wallaby coach. Take the performance of our provincial sides as an example.

Certainly not, just because you request it and it doesn't suit your personal likes or analysis of Wallaby core problems. What would give me the right to attempt to gain some sort of editorial influence over your inputs and 'favourite themes', just because I deemed them of less relevance than my own? One can tell Scotty from your politics, NBN, and similar posts that you are an assertive person, I respect that, but you must grant others freedoms identical to your own or people may suspect intellectual bullying tainted with arrogance, instead of democratic genuineness.

I know that the parties that admire and are adherents of Deans (and their loyalty is near unbounded I have found) will find my and Gnostic's assessments disagreeable, and some have even gone to lengths to remind us that we are not elite rugby coaches, so what would we know?

Yet the true 'broken record' here is in fact not our voices - rather, it is the repetitive deficiencies in coaching and selection - general and specialist in nature - that are driving major, repetitive elements of Wallaby inconsistency, mediocrity and blindness to their origins. The appalling repetitive inconsistency of Wallabies' game results, the consistent lapses against weaker teams, the volatility of crucial core skills (e.g. kicking), the repetitive perseverance with players that clearly are not correctly positioned or selected, the regular evidence of poor core skills (e.g. correct body height in forwards' attack and tackling), high intensity one game, low the next, the lack of '80 mins of hard team composure and mental strength', the list of chronic and continuing elements of such game-losing kind goes on. And most of these have been there on and off since 2008. (We even have the ludicrous situation where today Deans is quoted as stating, effectively, that his team was not correctly mentally prepared for the Auckland game, and didn't apply themselves or their desired tactics correctly. Does he carry no responsibility for this in relation to a crucial match, after 2 solid weeks of allegedly intense training on the Gold Coast, and 3+ seasons of competing with the ABs? And what of all the chest-beating PR re 'the new young Wallabies' the ARU and Deans openly engendered before the match?)

That is the real 'broken record'. That is the real shame, that's what's driving much angst and the increasing calls for change.

Finally, whilst my and Gnostic's assessments grate, do you somewhere believe that an endless discussion of 'forward x is better than forward y', and the subtleties of scrum dynamics, is something that elite players and coaches tune into each week and gain profound revelations from, as though it is so much more intellectually valuable here than a critique(s) of our coaching capability? Surely, there is a place for both here, and much more.
 

Searsy

Herbert Moran (7)
I think body positioning and intent do a lot to explain it. Elsom and McCalman run fairly upright into contact and that makes it much easier to knock them back in a collision. It's always been a problem for Aussie forwards in my opinion. Guys like Kaino lead with their shoulder. They also appear to have a bit more mongrel in them, which is important in positions like blindside. Rocky doesn't seem to have that as much in him any more. If anything, I reckon he's gone into his shell a bit.


I think they lead with their heads.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
RH,

You don't see the irony in your original post?

By far the biggest thing (in this context) that needs immediate axing: our national coach's relentlessly stubborn, pig-headed, never-admit-error approach to his selections and 'pets'. If that axing was to occur, we'd be in a position to make the multiple changes needed to team structure essential to mounting performances superior to last night's. Without that more open, grown-up mindset within the 3 national selectors, we will repeat much, progress little.

Relentless posting on pretty much only one issue surrounding the wallabies (the head coach).
Pig-headed in not being able to admit there are more factors at play than just the coach, these included but are not limited to: coaches at S15 level, number of professional players, impact from various other sports, a lack of physical training at younger age groups etc.
Pet response after every wallaby performance!
 
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