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Mark Ella (57)
Fucking flat footed! Both of them all the dam time, especially Elsom, frustrates the crap out of me. Higginbotham runs from depth and with speed, hence his ability to break the line consistantly. Even when caught flat footed Higgers usually makes it over the adv line.

I think he or Radike need to be in the starting side at 8 for this week, and I say that with no Reds bias whatsoever....promise haha

Body height is also a problem for Elsom. 197cm and 105kg gives him a lanky physique and easy to knock over unless he gets his centre of graity low. His technique in contct is shocking. Higgers is a bit more solidly built but he carries his body height lower in contact than Elsom. That is what makes Reid and Kaino so good. This side of the ditch, Dave Dennis is very good at it also.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
Not the same height, obviously, but Mitchell is stupendous in contact. Lowers his upper body but keeps his legs pumping and actually seems to accelerate his leg speed, aiming for driving strides rather than long lopes. Not sure why more players don't hit contact like this, except that it does make it harder to maintain body control and retain possession.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Not the same height, obviously, but Mitchell is stupendous in contact. Lowers his upper body but keeps his legs pumping and actually seems to accelerate his leg speed, aiming for driving strides rather than long lopes. Not sure why more players don't hit contact like this, except that it does make it harder to maintain body control and retain possession.

He and Digby are very similar in this regard. To me Drew is a prime example of a player who has identified his faults and worked his ring off to improve and we are seeing the result of a very complete player. There are not many faults in his game these days. I have a lot of respect for him.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
RH, You don't see the irony in your original post?

Scotty, this is degrading into the personal somewhat, and, with your own intense posting re Julia Gillard and her government (on a rugby site no less), you seem to wish to apply supervisory standards to me and Gnostic that you care not to apply to yourself, but I will deal with the points below:

Relentless posting on pretty much only one issue surrounding the wallabies (the head coach).

Incorrect or distorted for argumentative effect. I have posted on many Wallaby matters, and have posted on many Wallaby coaching matters including: kicking, kicking coaching, forwards, Nucifora's involvement, mental skills, team culture, selections, etc. I unashamedly emphasise leadership quality (or otherwise) issues as experience has taught me of its highly determining influence upon sports and most organisational outcomes. The ARU wholly agrees with me on this principle: that's why they are reportedly paying both RD and JON around or over $1m per annum each. It is entirely appropriate that these executives should have high demands placed upon their medium to long term performance, especially in relation to goals they have declared as important to the survival and prosperity of Australian rugby.

Pig-headed in not being able to admit there are more factors at play than just the coach, these included but are not limited to: coaches at S15 level, number of professional players, impact from various other sports, a lack of physical training at younger age groups etc.

Where on earth have I denied the relevance of these factors, and 'not been able to admit' them? You appear to have just made this up respectfully, for argumentative impact. I am happy to debate these additional factors at any time.

Pet response after every wallaby performance!

No true. I raise these types of comments when I (and numerous others) see major evidence of poor Wallaby performance and/or losses that I believe can be significantly ascribed to deficiencies in head coaching and/or specialist support coaching and/or selection, or all of the foregoing. Unfortunately, the truly excellent Wallaby performances are much scarcer than many of us would like, and much scarcer than Deans and the ARU committed would be achieved.
 
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Train Without a Station

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I think improved Super Rugby performances translating to declining Wallaby performances is not acceptable. I think since 2007 Australia's depth of players has probably increased marginally in comparison to NZ and SA (NZ and SA have the same, quality level of depth they had in 2007 due to 5 super rugby teams and good quality domestic comps).

I think Deans desire to find the next Gregans, Larkhams and Smiths, etc has caused him to be far too loyal with players, rather than rewarding form players. Over his tenure I believe McCalman and Simmons have really been the only players that he has really brought into the starting XV from outside the squad. since he seemed to establish it.
 
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gecko

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RedsHappy has a point, I'd like to see a couple of changes but it wasn't so much selection but rather preparation that cost us. Selection is also just another part of coaching, if you select blokes who aren't up to it you can't blame the player. There's no escaping the fact this is the most inconsistent Wallaby team in recent years. Alot of that comes down to preparation, the forwards tactics have been consistently poor regardless of which deck chairs. I'm not advocating we sack Deans, it's too late, however his performances haven't been acceptable. He's certainly done some positive things, but the record vs the ABs is shocking and losses v Scotland and Samoa were abominations.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Ok, I think I will leave this one. Not trying to be personal at all, but I would like to see you 'attack' issues other than deans in the aftermath of wallaby games. (for the record I also don't think his performance has been acceptable, but I do think he is doing his best. More ire should be directed to the person responsible for 'selecting' him, and I have a sneaking suspicion that contract or no contract deans will not be re-appointed if the wallabies don't make the final of the rwc.)

I knew the analogy to politics would come, however it doesn't quite work - you cannot influence on this site whether deans continues in his job or not (not saying you shouldnt write your opinion, but it doesnt need variations of it written on different threads),however I might have a chance of influencing a vote here or there in the next election!

Sorry, I was meant to leave it there! Promise, no more.
 
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Waylon

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It's pretty simple.........not enough mongrel up front......as usual

We have an exciting backline. Our pack is soft
 

chasmac

Alex Ross (28)
I agree with RedsHappy. We were outcoached. Recent Bledisloe performances have had the Wallabies leading at oranges. Obviously coach Henry et al wanted to change this trend/habit. They successfully devised a cunning plan.

I saw the all blacks play very fast rugby in the first 30 mins. Lots of quick lineouts to keep our defense on their toes. They also implemented a very physical - Samoan like - defense to put our attack in two minds. The unexpected tactic was to kick short - box kicks - and give away territory and possession. It seemed they preferred to play without the ball. Wallabies were out of the game before half time.

What was the Wallaby gameplan? Focus on set piece and play whats infront of you.
Results were poor; Scrum achieved a slight victory. Lineouts were even. Restarts were garbage. The attack started to look like one out rugby league hitups from flat footed forwards.

I don't advocate an Eddie Jones type of micro managed structure within a gameplan but i do think the 'play whats infront of you' is not good enough coaching. This mornings SMH has Deans saying that the Wallabiestactics were poor. I hope this is a turning point for him as a coach. I hope this signals that he is going to give more direction to the offensive tactics the team plays under.

Forwards that went missing seemed to be Simmons and Macalman with Kepu alot quieter around field than previously. Elsom........ second game after major injury, needs more time.

Backs that went missing seemed to be Cooper, McCabe, JOC (James O'Connor)'s boot and Beale didn't have his best.

Best of the All Blacks would have to have been Smith, Nonu, Carter and their back row. They each outpointed their opposite number which turned our strengths into weaknesses.
 
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What2040

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It's pretty simple.........not enough mongrel up front......as usual

We have an exciting backline. Our pack is soft

Exciting backline that failed miserably - whilst forwards certainly not dominant backs now need some questions, a lot of them, answered
 

brokendown

Bill McLean (32)
we were beaten by a team that did its job individually & more importantly,collectively,better than us
does it come down to coaching or are some of our players incapable of executing the plan?
 
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What2040

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we were beaten by a team that did its job individually & more importantly,collectively,better than us
does it come down to coaching or are some of our players incapable of executing the plan?

Maybe a bit of both - always hate to criticise just the coach - at end of day its not the under7's where the coach is on the field directing play. players have to take majority of the hit for a bad performance - maybe the coach should be no. 23 in the squad
 
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Fredfreduels

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I agree with RedsHappy. We were outcoached. Recent Bledisloe performances have had the Wallabies leading at oranges. Obviously coach Henry et al wanted to change this trend/habit. They successfully devised a cunning plan.

I saw the all blacks play very fast rugby in the first 30 mins. Lots of quick lineouts to keep our defense on their toes. They also implemented a very physical - Samoan like - defense to put our attack in two minds. The unexpected tactic was to kick short - box kicks - and give away territory and possession. It seemed they preferred to play without the ball. Wallabies were out of the game before half time.

What was the Wallaby gameplan? Focus on set piece and play whats infront of you.
Results were poor; Scrum achieved a slight victory. Lineouts were even. Restarts were garbage. The attack started to look like one out rugby league hitups from flat footed forwards.

I don't advocate an Eddie Jones type of micro managed structure within a gameplan but i do think the 'play whats infront of you' is not good enough coaching. This mornings SMH has Deans saying that the Wallabiestactics were poor. I hope this is a turning point for him as a coach. I hope this signals that he is going to give more direction to the offensive tactics the team plays under.

Forwards that went missing seemed to be Simmons and Macalman with Kepu alot quieter around field than previously. Elsom........ second game after major injury, needs more time.

Backs that went missing seemed to be Cooper, McCabe, JOC (James O'Connor)'s boot and Beale didn't have his best.

Best of the All Blacks would have to have been Smith, Nonu, Carter and their back row. They each outpointed their opposite number which turned our strengths into weaknesses.

http://athsrugbyblog.wordpress.com/

How can you say that McCabe and Beale went missing and not mention AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)?
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
....We were outcoached. Recent Bledisloe performances have had the Wallabies leading at oranges. Obviously coach Henry et al wanted to change this trend/habit. They successfully devised a cunning plan.

I saw the all blacks play very fast rugby in the first 30 mins. Lots of quick lineouts to keep our defense on their toes. They also implemented a very physical - Samoan like - defense to put our attack in two minds. The unexpected tactic was to kick short - box kicks - and give away territory and possession. It seemed they preferred to play without the ball. Wallabies were out of the game before half time.

What was the Wallaby gameplan? Focus on set piece and play whats infront of you.
Results were poor; Scrum achieved a slight victory. Lineouts were even. Restarts were garbage. The attack started to look like one out rugby league hitups from flat footed forwards.

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chasmac - yes. Not enough recent credit is given to The Cartel for their typically excellent, thoroughly researched game plans and tactical choices designed precisely and differently opposition-to-opposition.

The Cartel's genuinely world-class game planning and tactical skills etc are one of the key reasons why the ABs under GH have such an outstanding w-l % ratio. Not to detract from individual AB player quality or intensity, but Henry has worked very hard IMO over the S15 season on figuring out how to completely destabilise the Wallabies' attack potential and, psychologically, dismember them. His decisive tactics and the execution skill of his team in Auckland quickly affirmed his long-building judgement.

He would have drawn from, in no order, an examination of, at least: S15 Force game 1 v Reds, Brumbies game 2 v Reds, Walls v Samoa, Cru v Tahs, Cru v Reds Final (when the Cru's smart tactical undermining of Genia's free play nearly got them home, but where Genia snared the final laugh). He would have seen and studied how what might be termed 'malicious, constant, hyper-agressive line defence that immediately turns into a great form of attack as it limits the Wallabies' 9 and 10 freedoms and then wipes their tactical brains' often worked for S15 teams v the best Aus teams, especially vs Reds of course. He would know well and truly in playing the Deans' Wallabies that this team has not developed an all of 80 resilience v his team, and that no 'hard mind' and really solid team culture was/is ever there over 3 years of AB v Wallaby endeavour. The chest-beating and bragging from the Gold Coast pre game (which IMO the ARU was stupid to allow) would have been a clue to someone of his shrewdness that the confidence was superficial and was cockiness more than something truly earned. The ease with which Samoa consistently dissembled many top Wallabies with better battle preparation and passion, would have been another telling clue upon which an ABs plan could be confirmed.

The whole plan for Auckland (which you broadly outline above) worked an absolute treat for The Cartel. And I challenge anyone to coherently describe evidence of a Wallaby game plan for the match. Yes, we had a spare parts bin of tactical cameos of picks and drives (that achieved some momentary success, but was inexplicably terminated in mid flight), work it wide (but at the wrong phase points), X-factor player combos that worked for little bits before the ABs created the pressure to cause X-player error after error, etc. After the first 5 minutes of play the Wallabies looked completely out of the type of gas that was powering the ABs, and it appeared that no substitute of any useful type could be found. Then the on field leadership and team rejuvenation required from the senior Wallabies players seemed to be completely absent, so team capability gave way to individual anxiety. It really did remind one of the first 10 minutes v Samoa - the Wallabies, remarkably, looked wholly unprepared for what confronted them, though v the ABs pre RWC, what were they expecting, some kind of subtle passivity?
 
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