Waratahs v Blues. Sydney.

[Spook]

At the game we discussed the likelihood of the Brumbies usual suspects bagging that performance - good to come home and see it is so.

Fuck me, you blokes are so precious :lmao:. Visit the Brumbies thread and have a look at a discussion involving criticism and demonstrating the capacity to view your side critically.

The Tahs scrum dished it up to the AB front row (well, a version of it) and looked weaker once Fuse went off. I know that will disappoint Spook immensely, but it seemed pretty clear at the game.

Once again, completely disingenuous. I have been quoted saying the Tahs have a better scrum than the Brumbies - NTA can validate this. TPN and Robinson are the best scrummagers in their positions in Australia.

 

[Reddy!]

God, both the bloody Tah and Brumby supporters are as bad as each other. All your best players are Qlders anyway, so quit your whining.

 

[Spook]

the tahs are the only team in the country that can win a game with a bonus point and still get bagged.

Well that's lie number 1 - the Reds have done it this season. You'll find plenty of teams get criticised after a victory and also get praised after a loss as I demonstrated when the Tahs lost to the Bulls. Preciousness wears a Sky Blue jersey and calls themself a Tah supporter (well not all of them but most of them have popped up in this thread). :lmao:

 

[Spook]

God, both the bloody Tah and Brumby supporters are as bad as each other. All your best players are Qlders anyway, so quit your whining.

:thumb

 

[cyclopath]

Maybe so Spook, you are but one of the usual suspects, but by all means take all the bait. No Brumbies fans ever get precious about critiques of their team; I concede this to be the absolute truth.
My main dig was at your pathological refusal to give Baxter any credit, and you validated that nicely by admitting TPN and Robbo are the best in their positions, but ignoring my point that the scrum got weaker with Baxter off. I don't need to ask NTA to verify all this, if it's all the same with you. I was not actually comparing the scrum of the Tahs to that of the Brumbies, but to the Blues...you know, the team we were playing tonight. My point was specifically about Baxter.

 

[Spook]

Maybe so Spook, you are but one of the usual suspects, but by all means take all the bait. No Brumbies fans ever get precious about critiques of their team; I concede this to be the absolute truth.
My main dig was at your pathological refusal to give Baxter any credit, and you validated that nicely by admitting TPN and Robbo are the best in their positions, but ignoring my point that the scrum got weaker with Baxter off. I don't need to ask NTA to verify all this, if it's all the same with you. I was not actually comparing the scrum of the Tahs to that of the Brumbies, but to the Blues...you know, the team we were playing tonight. My point was specifically about Baxter.

What I've said concerning Baxter is that he is a good Super 14 prop who has been exposed at international level. This is all true. Last year the Brumbies bulldozed the Blues scrum with the same All Black front row with Sheperdson at tight head. Doesn't say a lot does it?

I'm an unashamed admirer of TPN and have always have been - in 2007 I wrote of my dismay that he didn't feature in the WC07 squad. His throwing lets him down (which is getting better) which is why he doesn't start every match for Oz. He is not as good as Moore in that regard but is a better scrummager. Moore is a very good player though and offers a lot in the tight and loose with his running game and great hands.

 

[cyclopath]

There's a 12 step program that can help, Spooky!
It's OK, you can admit it, Baxter CAN scrum, Baxter CAN scrum....

 

[Spook]

Baxter CAN scrum, Baxter CAN scrum....

Not at international level. He's been exposed. Please review history. The refs are onto him as well which doesn't help.

You can say it:

Baxter CAN'T scrum at international level, Baxter CAN'T scrum at international level..

 

[fatprop]

Baxter CAN scrum, Baxter CAN scrum....

Not at international level. He's been exposed. Please review history. The refs are onto him as well which doesn't help.

You can say it:

Baxter CAN'T scrum at international level, Baxter CAN'T scrum at international level..

If you want to "review" history, lets use some "facts". The only guy he has trouble with has been Woodcock, no other LHP has really troubled him for a few years.

 

[cyclopath]

OK, this was a Super 14 game I think, so not sure how Test matches have any bearing.
My original comment was how the Tahs scrum (TONIGHT) got worse with Baxter off, which would annoy you. That would be incorrect how??? Again, I made no mention of any other front rowers in this particular point. I'm glad you like TPN - I think Stephen Moore (the Qlder) is an excellent hooker too.
And I will observe rule #7 after this.

 

[Biffo]

The Blues outplayed the Tahs and blew about 4 tries. Lucky night again. 14 point turn around with the intercept. I thouht the Tahs were rubbish generally. Still always good to beat the Keewees.

Ahemm. The Brumbies have in recent weeks redefined and elevated general rubbish. The Tahs are a long way off the Brumby benchmark.

Ahh, why mention the Brumbies in this this thread? Lose the chip pls. Tahs performances against the Reds, Blues, Sharks, Force and Stormers would suggest you're talking through your hole. Do you really think the Tahs outplayed the Blues? :nta:

Establishing a benchmark for team crapness, Mate. We have the Carter as the unit of player excellence, or otherwise. I am proposing the Brumby as the benchmark of crapness. It applies to only those squads which have the calibre to win the S14. The Brumbies have set the standard - let us set total crapness at 1.0 Brumbies, which is the maxiumum until another team goes worse. The lower the score the lower the crapness. I assessed the Tahs tonight at 0.4327 Brumby crapness.

You also want to visit my number 2 surgery for a procedure?

Yes, the Tahs deserved the win.

 

[Cutter]

Cyclo and Spook - how about taking the handbags to the PM arena?

 

[Langthorne]

Entertaining game. Great result.

Scrum very dominant, less so when Baxter was off.

The teams changes worked a treat.

Mumm worked hard all night, and ran like a champion. He also took on the leadership role well when Waugh went off.

TPN was top notch.

Halangahu did almost everything right. He is playing very solidly.

Beale took about 1 minute to show what he can do in attack, and not much longer to show up his defence (although it wasn't until the second half when his missed a shocker).


After a good start the Tahs took their foot off the gas, and then upped the crap kick quota - Barnes was the main culprit. The handling in contact was a bit iffy at times too (eg Mitchell, Carter's 1st run).

Once the 4 tries were scored I was very happy to see Carter and Anesi come on as they are both good defenders. I wouldn't mind seeing Carter at 12 more often.

Sure, if the Blues had played better they might have won, but that is always how rugby works.

 

[Pfitzy]

If you want to "review" history, lets use some "facts". The only guy he has trouble with has been Woodcock, no other LHP has really troubled him for a few years.

Follow that up with the FACT that in one of his last Tests, Baxter absolutely fucking destroyed the Myth and got penalised for doing so. The All Blacks got a penalty for being the weaker scrum because it was their own feed, in their own 22. If our coaches bitched enough about it maybe Joubert would be back to scrum school.

Baxter CAN'T scrum at international level, Baxter CAN'T scrum at international level..

Yes he can. The entire international refereeing community owes Australian scrummaging an apology because they vilified Baxter for the last couple of years. Sure, when he first came onto the scene he didn't have it, but then, which props do?

He's still the best at what he does in this country at scrum time, and at this point is our leading THP in overall selection terms by virtue of the fact that Alexander is getting no game time there to state his case.

 

[cyclopath]

Cyclo and Spook - how about taking the handbags to the PM arena?

That's why I invoked rule # 7 , Cutter. But thanks for the tip, must remember not to try to debate a point in public with a Brumbies supporter!

 

[Scarfman]

It must have been that Herogram I sent Hangers, apologising for giving him shit for 5 years.

But seriously, that first try of his? Trademark show-n-go, but it actually works! I would have tackled the crap out of him on spec.

 

[cyclopath]

He's deceptively strong in contact - they were 2 good efforts to get over the line last night.
Mumm's palm-off when he scored was nice too!

 

[Pfitzy]

Thinking back on what I saw of the game: who were the TJs last night? Because one of them was very busy giving the Tahs a legup at every opportunity e.g. "white hand on the ground", "crooked throw" etc.

 

[cyclopath]

Marks and Leckie

 

[chief]

They are Assistant Referees after all. We've been waiting for the AR's to tell the referee of blatant infringements.