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Waratahs 2026

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Donaldson and Harrison were thrown in way too soon and had to learn on the run.

This is a bit of a tangent but these guys absolutely need to be playing Super Rugby in their early 20s if they are really aspiring to be stars. We (collectively) say that young players need to be held back and not exposed to high level rugby too soon but then lament that the guys we are playing against from the Northern Hemisphere have a huge amount more professional games of experience at a similar age.

It's absolutely true that these guys starting their career playing in a bad team have a tougher time of it but they also need to be playing.
 

Homer

Charlie Fox (21)
I have been pondering why when every major side is working hard to improve line speed in defence; and the wobs sit back so passively

We can't deal with the line speed of the Lions, Ireland, England, the Boks, but we haven't decided to replicate it?
Laurie Fisher said in an interview that when Schmidt asked him to come on board and run defence , he said as long as you dont want a rush defence because thats not me!

SO giving big guys a full run up and a head of steam counts as defence now. I thought the Tahs showed them the benefit of at least have a shooter.
 

Adam84

John Eales (66)
Waratahs unpaid intern strikes again
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Tomthumb

Peter Johnson (47)
This is a bit of a tangent but these guys absolutely need to be playing Super Rugby in their early 20s if they are really aspiring to be stars. We (collectively) say that young players need to be held back and not exposed to high level rugby too soon but then lament that the guys we are playing against from the Northern Hemisphere have a huge amount more professional games of experience at a similar age.

It's absolutely true that these guys starting their career playing in a bad team have a tougher time of it but they also need to be playing.
Yeah I'd say the issue with these guys was not sticking with them. Granted Harrison had injuries, but the constant chopping and changing & playing them at fullback didn't help anything. They always seemed to be looking for the next big star as opposed to building the current guys

I hope they stick with Bowen and don't give up on him early. He has talent but needs time and patience
 

Rob42

Alan Cameron (40)
Yeah I'd say the issue with these guys was not sticking with them. Granted Harrison had injuries, but the constant chopping and changing & playing them at fullback didn't help anything. They always seemed to be looking for the next big star as opposed to building the current guys

I hope they stick with Bowen and don't give up on him early. He has talent but needs time and patience
Hard to stick with one of those three guys when the other two were on the same level, always tempting to switch to an alternative when the going got tough. That's probably Bowen's advantage for 2026 - no obvious alternative at this stage.
 

Tomthumb

Peter Johnson (47)
Hard to stick with one of those three guys when the other two were on the same level, always tempting to switch to an alternative when the going got tough. That's probably Bowen's advantage for 2026 - no obvious alternative at this stage.
Yeah 100% I get why they did it, I just think they ended up not getting the most out of any of them because of it
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Yeah 100% I get why they did it, I just think they ended up not getting the most out of any of them because of it

It's one of the problems with being a struggling side.

You can't exactly keep leaving out players who are very similar in quality on the basis that you want to focus development on one guy when it's not going well.
 

Froggy

Alan Cameron (40)
I would like to see them give Bowen a fair bit of time. He has a lot to work on before he becomes the real deal, but he plays close to the line, is always looking to put players into holes, can be an attacking threat and isn't frightened to defend in the line. His kicking game needs a lot of work, as does some of his decision making, but I think the raw materials are there to at least be a very good Super rugby 10.
 

drewprint

Desmond Connor (43)
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About 15 years ago, in the early years of the BBL, I did some social media work for the Brisbane Heat. After a big 6 was struck, I accidentally Tweeted ‘What a SHIT! #heat #bbl’. Realised after 1 minute and deleted, but with the internet that’s about 1 minute too long haha. My thoughts are with this Waratahs guy!
 
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TSR

Steve Williams (59)
Hard to stick with one of those three guys when the other two were on the same level, always tempting to switch to an alternative when the going got tough. That's probably Bowen's advantage for 2026 - no obvious alternative at this stage.
My recollection was that initially they backed Harrison, whilst still providing Donaldson opportunities. But Harrison got a pretty consistent run. Then he suffered back to back injuries and it became a bit of a revolving door with him (when available - which wasn’t much), Donaldson & Edmed.
 

molman

John Thornett (49)
My recollection was that initially they backed Harrison, whilst still providing Donaldson opportunities. But Harrison got a pretty consistent run. Then he suffered back to back injuries and it became a bit of a revolving door with him (when available - which wasn’t much), Donaldson & Edmed.
Anyone seen much of Harrison over at the Liners? How is he doing? Must admit after a season or two of injuries I can see it making sense for him. I'm kind of hopeful he might freshen up and take another crack at SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) / AU Rugby in the future. Could do with another 10 in the mix. Don't begrudge players like Max Burey getting their chance, but Harrison always looked to have the potential to possibly succeed at the next level.
 

molman

John Thornett (49)
This is a bit of a tangent but these guys absolutely need to be playing Super Rugby in their early 20s if they are really aspiring to be stars. We (collectively) say that young players need to be held back and not exposed to high level rugby too soon but then lament that the guys we are playing against from the Northern Hemisphere have a huge amount more professional games of experience at a similar age.

It's absolutely true that these guys starting their career playing in a bad team have a tougher time of it but they also need to be playing.
My issue is that there is just not enough high level game time for all the players to be developing from period, and that if you have 20 year olds running around what does that say about your player development when you have no 21-35 year olds still pushing for the positions?

We have 14 regular season games. Gallagher Premiership has 18, URC 18, Top14 26. They also 70%+ of those teams competing in Champions or Challenger Cup so another 4-8 matches.

We don't have a NPC or Currie Cup where the players can be getting reasonably high level, quality game time.

I bemoan the loss of players like Sione Tuipulotu, but the truth is he'd probably never have been the player he is now without playing in a system that afforded him so much more development and game time at a high standard.

Hopefully when RA resolves their books they can turn their focus from surviving to some actual strategies around how to move forward.
 

Strewthcobber

Michael Lynagh (62)
My issue is that there is just not enough high level game time for all the players to be developing from period, and that if you have 20 year olds running around what does that say about your player development when you have no 21-35 year olds still pushing for the positions?

We have 14 regular season games. Gallagher Premiership has 18, URC 18, Top14 26. They also 70%+ of those teams competing in Champions or Challenger Cup so another 4-8 matches.

We don't have a NPC or Currie Cup where the players can be getting reasonably high level, quality game time.

I bemoan the loss of players like Sione Tuipulotu, but the truth is he'd probably never have been the player he is now without playing in a system that afforded him so much more development and game time at a high standard.
Think this is pretty overstated at the highest level at least.

Len Ikitau has played basically the same amount of games for the Brumbies as Tuipolutu has for Glasgow over the same period, and Ikitau has played far more test matches
 

molman

John Thornett (49)
Think this is pretty overstated at the highest level at least.

Len Ikitau has played basically the same amount of games for the Brumbies as Tuipolutu has for Glasgow over the same period, and Ikitau has played far more test matches
You see an alternate reality where Sione could have developed to his potential within the Australian system? You feel there is enough capacity and opportunity for all these players to reach their potential?

You are correct that both players have played a fair amount of Rugby, but Sione is still ahead since starting at Glasgow and is only marginally behind in international level games even though Len was well ahead of him in the early years.

Total Games:

Sione Tuipolutu:
21/22 - 27 (7)*
22/23 - 25 (9)
23/24 - 30 (11)
24/25 - 18 (5)

Total: 100 (32)

Len Ikitau:
21/22 - 27 (12)
22/23 - 19 (7)
23/24 - 20 (8)
24/25 - 21 (7)

Total: 87 (34)

*brackets = test level games
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Rod McCall (65)
Think this is pretty overstated at the highest level at least.

Len Ikitau has played basically the same amount of games for the Brumbies as Tuipolutu has for Glasgow over the same period, and Ikitau has played far more test matches
Not for the young play makers. Look at Tom Lynagh v Finn Smith at the same age.

Tom: 45 pro games
Finn: 110 pro games.
 

Strewthcobber

Michael Lynagh (62)
Not for the young play makers. Look at Tom Lynagh v Finn Smith at the same age.

Tom: 45 pro games
Finn: 110 pro games.
Happy to concede England and France is a different story - although some of that is levels of rugby a fair way below Super Rugby (eg Premiership Cup)

URC teams are generally not that much different. Eg Sacha Mngomezu
 
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The Ghost of Raelene

Rod McCall (65)
That’s true but games v men make all the difference in development.

Finn has almost as many Champions cup and Tests as Tom has pro games. Learning how to deal with pressure and expectations is huge.
 

Strewthcobber

Michael Lynagh (62)
Another tounge in cheek (yes I know about the injuries) one I like to bring up, imagine what Mack Hansen could have ended up like in Australia if he stayed and played 15 games a year here like he did in 2021.

He's never played more than 14 games a year for his Irish team Connacht.
 
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