Ben Dowling who is a couple of years older and no bigger than Jorgensen is probably the other option.
Waratahs 2023
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Micheal
Alan Cameron (40)
Problem is these kids are raring to go and often get dismayed if they can't get a chance.
Someone should get Jack Maddocks on the phone with him. He's recently commented in the press he was rushed into Super / the Wallabies before he was physically ready for it.
The message probably is probably stronger when it comes from another current player.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
It's tricky isn't it?
We've heard from Crichton who said the Waratahs didn't want him playing straight away and it caused him to go to the NRL.
(I do realise Jorgenson is likely on a better deal than Crichton was offered but still - the point stands).
If he's ready, he's ready. I don't think age is a factor. There probably are players who were rushed too early, Maddocks/Kellaway etc. but there were also ones who were ready and were fine, Horne, JOC (James O'Connor), Petaia, Turner, Beale etc.
Don't think it's one case fits all.
We've heard from Crichton who said the Waratahs didn't want him playing straight away and it caused him to go to the NRL.
(I do realise Jorgenson is likely on a better deal than Crichton was offered but still - the point stands).
If he's ready, he's ready. I don't think age is a factor. There probably are players who were rushed too early, Maddocks/Kellaway etc. but there were also ones who were ready and were fine, Horne, JOC (James O'Connor), Petaia, Turner, Beale etc.
Don't think it's one case fits all.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
The big question though is whether he is actually ready or whether the Tahs are going to have to throw him in because injuries to Perese, Pietsch, Walton & Harrison and the stand down of Beale leave the Tahs light in the outside backs.
The other question is how much did age play a part in the ongoing injury issues of guys like Horne, Petaia & CFS?
The other question is how much did age play a part in the ongoing injury issues of guys like Horne, Petaia & CFS?
dusk
Vay Wilson (31)
he also has some shute shield experience which is handy
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
You can't compare apples with oranges. Let me see where are the superheavies openside flankers at test level:
Siya Kolisi 105 kg
Ardie Savea 99 kg
Sam Cane 103 kg
Pablo Matera 109 kg
Sam Underhill 103 kg
Ben Curry 106 kg
Michael Hooper 101 kg
Fraser McReight 102 kg
Hamish Watson 102 kg
Anthony Jelonch 105 kg
Josh Van der flier 106 kg
Justin Tipuric 102 kg
Where are the 130 kg openside flankers like Henry Tuilagi?
Could you possibly do this again, but with height?
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
You are welcome
Siya Kolisi 105 kg 1,87 m
Ardie Savea 99 kg 1,88 m
Sam Cane 103 kg 1,89 m
Pablo Matera 109 kg 1,93 m
Sam Underhill 103 kg 1,85 m
Ben Curry 106 kg 1,85 m
Michael Hooper 101 kg 1,82 m
Fraser McReight 102 kg 1,84 m
Hamish Watson 102 kg 1,85 m
Anthony Jelonch 105 kg 1,95 m
Josh Van der flier 106 kg 1,86 m
Justin Tipuric 102 kg 1,88 m
Bonus track - Waratahs backrow
Lachie Swinton 108 kg 1,95 m
Will Harris 107 kg 1,94 m
Ned Hanigan 110 kg 1,94 m
Langi Gleeson 106 kg 1,88 m
Charlie Gamble 104 kg 1,85 m
HogansHeros
Dave Cowper (27)
I was surprised to see Hanigan heavier than Swinton, google has Swinton at 112kg and Hanigan at 114kg!
I don't trust any of those stats, there are always dubious
I remember an Adam Freier (a guy always under weight) before weigh-ins talking about demolishing as much water as possible to show those extra kgs whilst others would be staving themselves prior to the weigh in before heading out to KFC afterwards
Hanigan is deceptively large. I wouldn't be surprised if he's slightly heavier than Swinton.
Swinton has a big head which makes him look bigger than he is.
Swinton has a big head which makes him look bigger than he is.
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
Maybe those are the new numbers. According Tahs staff some guys have gained weight this off-season
Hanigan is deceptively large. I wouldn't be surprised if he's slightly heavier than Swinton.
Swinton has a big head which makes him look bigger than he is.
Ned's secret is the "extra body" shampoo he uses on that luscious head of hair of his. Adds a few kilos there
HogansHeros
Dave Cowper (27)
It must be the higher centre of gravity that helps him get over the gain line better than haniganHanigan is deceptively large. I wouldn't be surprised if he's slightly heavier than Swinton.
Swinton has a big head which makes him look bigger than he is.
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
It's irrelevant to this discussion. Let's take as a premise that everyone is lying. All increase 5 kg and 5 cms, the different between them remains the same