Waratahs 2021
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Rob42
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
When NSW Rugby split off a separate board to run the Waratahs, people were worried it would split the professional team away from the community teams. And then re-uniting the two boards was supposed to help bring the two back together. I don't think it worked either way.
Whilst there's a lack of professional sports administration experience on the board, the representation should lead to great unity across all rugby in NSW. Of course it doesn't, but that's the way it should work.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
I tried doing this last week and was shot down pretty quick but I will give it a go from last years Shute Shield and not selected for super rugby for NSW - excuse spelling
1. Jed Gillespie / Charlie Abel
2. Mahe Vailanu
3. Tim Metcher
4. Jack Margin
5. Nathan De Tuoit
6. Michael Icely
7. Christian Poidevan
8. Pat Sio
9. Harrison Goddard
10 . Rodney Iona /Angus Sinclaire
11. James Turner
12. Enoka Muliufi
13. Tautatalasi Tasi
14. Tyson Davis
15. Tim Clements
The team isn't going to win a super rugby title but I reckon they could give this weeks tahs a shot
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
They'd need to spend a full off season in a pro-rugby training program to be judged fairly.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Boards of professional sports are supposed to set strategies and priorities in order to have the best structures and programs in place for the paid employees to do their job. When they also are charged with running a community part of a sport they also need to have a player and coach development process which is coherent and effective.
Alas in NSW, we don't have the best structures and programs in place for the elite program and we don't have a coherent and effective player and coach develop system either.
It's a problem with having a state-based pro-sport model in Super Rugby. You have people trying to run professional sporting teams and under 6s at the same time. Pro-sport should be conducted on a variant of the model which occurs in NRL, AFL, FFA, EPL, every pro sport league in soccer and rugby in Europe etc. The governing body then runs the game.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Yes, NSWRU wouldn't have any interest in making the Shute Shield better would they? 
John S
Peter Fenwicke (45)
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...-cheika-asked-for-advice-20210331-p57fpm.html
Roger Davis has hit back at Penney's claims. Interesting opening statement:
Roger the Dodger at his best:
Great management-speak there - say something which says nothing. So, you send a statement which basically says "no comment" and just expect everyone to go along with the "nothing to see here" attitude? I don't buy it. He says Penney's claims are:
- inaccurate - ok which ones, and why?
- not time sensitive - does that mean that your previous stuff ups that flowed on to Penney are right, but he should have known about them and been a better coach to do better?
- disingenuous - Are you saying he's just trying to air dirty laundry, or twist what actually occurred for his benefit?
Would be good to see some actual leadership coming out of the board, good to see Dan McKellar back Penney though.
Roger Davis has hit back at Penney's claims. Interesting opening statement:
Roger the Dodger at his best:
Great management-speak there - say something which says nothing. So, you send a statement which basically says "no comment" and just expect everyone to go along with the "nothing to see here" attitude? I don't buy it. He says Penney's claims are:
- inaccurate - ok which ones, and why?
- not time sensitive - does that mean that your previous stuff ups that flowed on to Penney are right, but he should have known about them and been a better coach to do better?
- disingenuous - Are you saying he's just trying to air dirty laundry, or twist what actually occurred for his benefit?
Would be good to see some actual leadership coming out of the board, good to see Dan McKellar back Penney though.
I was thinking this morning about the supposed lack of long-term planning, which has seen us go from premiers in 2014 to what we are today.
The issue, to me, wasn't a lack of long-term planning so much as we picked the wrong plan - on a coaching level at least.
Our plan on the surface was sound: Cheika takes us to glory, builds a system and then hands the keys to his loyal offsider Daryl Gibson, who has spent the last three years learning the ropes under the great master. He gets to drive a Ferrari and all he has to do is keep it on the road.
In reality, a few things happened that saw that plan fail. Gibson wasn't as good a coach as we'd hoped. There was an exodus of talent that we struggled to replace - Skelton, Phipps, TPN, Douglas, Jacpot, Palu, Kepu etc. And there wasn't the next level of youth there that could take the reins effectively.
There are some real similarities to the situation in the Reds a few years before, as the transition from Link to Graham saw a similar plunge in form.
So my question: is this the death of the 'assistant coach grooming' model? The idea seems sound in theory, but is there much evidence of it ever working at provincial level? Outside Steve Hansen I can't really think of a success at international level either.
Obviously there were many more problems that the coach transition model the Tahs used, but if you look back to try and chart where this all started to go wrong you probably do end up at the moment that Cheika left and gave the keys to Daryl.
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The issue, to me, wasn't a lack of long-term planning so much as we picked the wrong plan - on a coaching level at least.
Our plan on the surface was sound: Cheika takes us to glory, builds a system and then hands the keys to his loyal offsider Daryl Gibson, who has spent the last three years learning the ropes under the great master. He gets to drive a Ferrari and all he has to do is keep it on the road.
In reality, a few things happened that saw that plan fail. Gibson wasn't as good a coach as we'd hoped. There was an exodus of talent that we struggled to replace - Skelton, Phipps, TPN, Douglas, Jacpot, Palu, Kepu etc. And there wasn't the next level of youth there that could take the reins effectively.
There are some real similarities to the situation in the Reds a few years before, as the transition from Link to Graham saw a similar plunge in form.
So my question: is this the death of the 'assistant coach grooming' model? The idea seems sound in theory, but is there much evidence of it ever working at provincial level? Outside Steve Hansen I can't really think of a success at international level either.
Obviously there were many more problems that the coach transition model the Tahs used, but if you look back to try and chart where this all started to go wrong you probably do end up at the moment that Cheika left and gave the keys to Daryl.
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Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Yes, NSWRU wouldn't have any interest in making the Shute Shield better would they?
I'm sure NSWRU would actually love Shute to be a huge feeder competition that allows the cream to go on to professional contracts. BUT the SRU want to have their cake and eat it, too:
1) Allowing clubs who perennially struggle to keep participating, just because they want to pay lip service to Western Sydney.
2) Using 4 Grades + 3 Colts as a food bill to pay a few players at the top
3) Failing to look at structures that would allow promotion/relegation with ambitious Subbies clubs over the longer term
While SRU remains a closed shop, I think it can be treated as such
The challenge with that squad was that it was so top heavy, that meant recruitment was mediocre for the replacements with the cash going to the "1sts" and squaddies just not getting game time
cheika is the king of the short term
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
I just saw this on the Roar
BREAKING: Waratahs sack interim head coaches for "failing to meet on-field expectations"
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/04/...es-for-failing-to-meet-on-field-expectations/
Surely that can't have happened already?
BREAKING: Waratahs sack interim head coaches for "failing to meet on-field expectations"
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/04/...es-for-failing-to-meet-on-field-expectations/
Surely that can't have happened already?
Blackadder
Desmond Connor (43)
April fools mate
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
Did not even look at the date, the way the NSW board is it really could happen
Blackadder
Desmond Connor (43)
Nah they are the fools 24/7
Rob42
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
It should be - anointing a head-coach-in-waiting 2-3 years ahead is too much of a gamble on one person: could anyone pick who will be the best head coach candidate for a team that far ahead? And in Australia, we never have enough stability at the head coach level to allow a smooth progression.
What we need to work on, at a national level, is having a pool of qualified candidates at each level of coaching, and having some co-ordination of how those people are developed. There's no single path, but we should be able to ensure promising candidates are assisted to go to the next level. This might well include overseas experience - I think it's great that Simon Cron gets a few years experience with Steve Hansen, for example. The pathway shouldn't be within a single Super franchise.
Does anyone in RA track this kind of thing?
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
At the moment we are going through a period of huge disruption, it is affecting the game's finances, schedules, logistics, player health (potentially). I doubt that anybody has the time for the intricacies of coaching pathways.
To do so requires a reasonably stable planning framework. We do not have one right now. Nobody does.