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Waratahs 2017

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Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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I think Gibson's job at the Tahs lives and dies in 2018 on whether the team can improve their defence. It has been the key problem in 2017.

Maybe given the coaching options available and the budget constraints he deemed Cron a good hire for the forwards in an area that isn't his bread and butter and decided that he would take greater responsibility on the team's defence.

Ideally you'd have the budget to hire the best coaches in every area possible but clearly that isn't possible.

I don't mind Gibson putting his destiny in his own hands in 2018.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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I don't agree in any way it's 'just as simple as that' to get an elite pro football team winning comps in 2017+.

But delighted to hear Tahs fans like you think that's all it takes.

Just be clear: Gibson himself stated (in what I read) that the Asst Coach cull was down to cost cutting, he didn't seek to put a positive PR spin on it such as yours above.


You can either see shit happening as an opportunity or an excuse to fail

I prefer answer "A" every time
 

W-TARED

Bob McCowan (2)
Oh, so just a few side issues then to get the Tahs firing again.



I mean, in all the circumstances of the Tahs' 2016 and 2017 seasons, including yr comments above which look right to me, why on earth would you start culling Assistant Coaching positions as a deemed smart way to save costs?



Another possible explanation I guess: Tah finances as a whole are getting 'very seriously bad'.



This aligns all to closely with the rumour-fact I heard last weekend, that the Tahs are also cutting their EPS and training contracts so the playing squad will only be about 28 or 29 for 2018. FAAAAARK
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
I think Gibson's job at the Tahs lives and dies in 2018 on whether the team can improve their defence. It has been the key problem in 2017.

Maybe given the coaching options available and the budget constraints he deemed Cron a good hire for the forwards in an area that isn't his bread and butter and decided that he would take greater responsibility on the team's defence.

Ideally you'd have the budget to hire the best coaches in every area possible but clearly that isn't possible.

I don't mind Gibson putting his destiny in his own hands in 2018.

The overarching question is surely whether that 'putting (defence) destiny in his own hands' is a sensible, well-considered decision in relation to the resulting odds of team failure, or not.

Surely it is way beyond being about experiments re Gibson's talents or otherwise, but rather about the base viability of the Tahs as a team.

If the Tahs' 2017 financial position is so perilous that they have to cut back on elite coaching resources then there is only one way out of that rather serious problem and that is - play extremely well in 2018 and get into the 2018 S1X finals leading to better crowds, better sponsorships and finals home games to boost coffers.

If 2017's performance is repeated next year, the commercial and financial consequences will not be good I would surmise.

IIRC Gibson has no coaching background in defence and undeniably defence is any increasingly specialised coaching role that goes way beyond just the crude 'tackles made and missed' stats. It extends quite technically into ball-stripping from the tackle, high productivity aggressive defence (where the ball carrier is handled firmly backwards in a manner best positioned to set up the ruck and effect turnovers), holding up to gain maul start and then dominance, preventing offloads in the tackle, etc.

IMO, given all above, to expect a non-defence-specialist HC to also do that role - and when that role as you say is also critical to fixing chronic team-wide defensive lapses - to cull a defence coach position and place that task back on that HC seems like a super high-risk decision.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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I agree it is a high risk option but you also have to wonder how many suitably talented defensive coaches there are around the place and what the Waratahs would have to pay to recruit one. Almost certainly they would have to come from overseas.
 

amirite

Chilla Wilson (44)
He skipped training to go and watch his partner graduate from Uni (I assume).


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What do you assume that based on? Surely he would've been cleared for something like that.

I may be missing a joke.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
I think Gibson's job at the Tahs lives and dies in 2018 on whether the team can improve their defence. It has been the key problem in 2017.

Maybe given the coaching options available and the budget constraints he deemed Cron a good hire for the forwards in an area that isn't his bread and butter and decided that he would take greater responsibility on the team's defence.

Ideally you'd have the budget to hire the best coaches in every area possible but clearly that isn't possible.

I don't mind Gibson putting his destiny in his own hands in 2018.


Dogs are barking now Braveheart !

I may of been a little early in my call some time ago

Tahs will snap up Rob Simmons and he may bolster the locks down there in Tahland
 

Micheal

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Cause he is from Gordon and better than the Norths forwards? If Wells get's picked over him next season Cron may as well resign immediately.


Well, obviously not.

From his selections we can infer he prefers a 6 in the Sinclair mould.

High workrate, no-nonsense, out-and-out role player.

High workrate and Jack Dempsey aren't exactly synonymous.
 

A mutterer

Chilla Wilson (44)
smh article has that old chestnut of a story running that the coach has lost some of the players.

time for gibson to pull out the old performance reviews and start clearing house?
 

ShtinaTina

Alex Ross (28)
Any other Tahs members have a laugh at their latest email about their fitness plan?
Someone is kicking goals with that wording. Irony at its finest
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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Hoiles and Mehrtens said something interesting about Gibson last night

Hoiles said he was an excellent assistant\hands on coach and Mehrtens added that, like Wayne Smith, the distant Head Coach style may just not suit him.

So next year he is going to be a more hands on unit taking over their biggest weakness, defense.

There was also a comment from Gibson in an interview that he thought he had a roster to play a certain style at the start of the season, but quickly found out he was wrong and had to try to make adjustments "to be more pragmatic" during the season. (and that hadn't worked either)
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
When all else fails, blame the coach (and the ARU, of course).


Our top players have so many deficiencies and make so many unforced errors that it is a wonder that we can finish second in our matches.


That is not Gibson's fault.
 
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