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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Not really clear is it, what's happening with Larkham too and is Ledesma leaving..
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Not really clear is it, what's happening with Larkham too and is Ledesma leaving..
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I thought Ledesma was signed to the Argentinean Super Rugby team for 2016 and was working with the Tahs as some sort of exchange?
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Why? It's no different to what Larkham's doing. The core of the Argentinian Super Rugby side is going to the world cup so there wouldn't be much they're doing for Super Rugby until after it.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Yeah fair point but no announcement that he's their coach yet. Probably will be.
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Steve Williams (59)
Nope.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
A Wallabies Cap means that he becomes ineligible for Fiji or Scotland (when/if he met residential criteria).
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Yep. But it's a bog standard contract. No commitment to Scotland required.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Nick McArdle on Rugby HQ said if he gets capped for the Wallabies it will null his Glasgow contract and he's still a chance of turning out for the Waratahs next season if they can fit him under the cap, interesting stuff.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Nah. Still running on old information. The Glasgow contract has been bog standard from the very beginning. From a combination of news articles, press releases, informed forumites and a chance encounter the old man had with Sean Lineen, this is what I've pieced together.
In June/July 2014 Gregor Townsend holidays to Australia because he likes Southern Hemisphere Rugby. During this time he sees Naiyaravoro play and likes what he sees. Tells Glasgow recruitment staff to keep an eye on him.
At some point following the NRC, but before Super Rugby starts, Townsend decides he wants him, and approaches the SRU for permission to sign him. This is granted, and Glasgow open negotiations with his agent.
At the Same time however, the SRU and Edinburgh combined make an approach, given Toonie's track record with internationals. They want to replicate Glasgows Fijiian flairs, but with the potential for Scottish representation.
This offer is made in Australia by Scott Johnson on a trip home, and is where the Australian media have been getting all the details about the offer. Instead of doing their research properly, they've just thought they got the club wrong.
And why would the SRU do this? Because Toonie is out for Toonie. It's not meant to sound negative, but the long and short is that he's been very willing to not do what's best for Scotland, and instead do what's best for Glasgow.
In June/July 2014 Gregor Townsend holidays to Australia because he likes Southern Hemisphere Rugby. During this time he sees Naiyaravoro play and likes what he sees. Tells Glasgow recruitment staff to keep an eye on him.
At some point following the NRC, but before Super Rugby starts, Townsend decides he wants him, and approaches the SRU for permission to sign him. This is granted, and Glasgow open negotiations with his agent.
At the Same time however, the SRU and Edinburgh combined make an approach, given Toonie's track record with internationals. They want to replicate Glasgows Fijiian flairs, but with the potential for Scottish representation.
This offer is made in Australia by Scott Johnson on a trip home, and is where the Australian media have been getting all the details about the offer. Instead of doing their research properly, they've just thought they got the club wrong.
And why would the SRU do this? Because Toonie is out for Toonie. It's not meant to sound negative, but the long and short is that he's been very willing to not do what's best for Scotland, and instead do what's best for Glasgow.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Having said all that, I wouldn't be surprised if e ends up coming back and playing for one of the Aussie Super sides. It's not due to an automatic nullifying of his contract, it'll be behind the scenes discussion between Glasgow, his manager, and other relevant bodies.
It would seem that Naiyaravoro has decided that he wants to be an Aussie.
After getting capped for the Wallabies, he'd be able to return to Australia after any Scottish contract and play Super Rugby and be eligible for the Wallabies again.
If he didn't get capped, any return to Australia after a Glasgow contract would still have to be followed by a three year residency period to become eligible again I believe.
After getting capped for the Wallabies, he'd be able to return to Australia after any Scottish contract and play Super Rugby and be eligible for the Wallabies again.
If he didn't get capped, any return to Australia after a Glasgow contract would still have to be followed by a three year residency period to become eligible again I believe.
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Steve Williams (59)
Good post.
However, forgive—or at least allow—a bit of a laugh at this bit...
Don't worry, no moral high horse here. In an ideal world this bloke would be aspiring to play for Fiji (and every 8 year old girl would have their own pony ... with a pink coat).
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Toonie makes no secret of his adoration of Super Rugby. He loves Scotland and Glasgow yes, but the style and intensity of the play down South enthrals him. Follow him on twitter and you'd see.
The way I phrased that is a bit funny/all over the place. And I don't particularly mind who he plays for at international level, provincial rugby is a different beast, you need a combination of the best scottish/scottish-eligible players possible as well as a good cohort of non-scottish players for Rotation, coverage during the 6 Nations and ultimately improving your best 23.
The way I phrased that is a bit funny/all over the place. And I don't particularly mind who he plays for at international level, provincial rugby is a different beast, you need a combination of the best scottish/scottish-eligible players possible as well as a good cohort of non-scottish players for Rotation, coverage during the 6 Nations and ultimately improving your best 23.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
I think that as a Fijian Citizen, Kolpak will apply to him regardless of international representation.
I would have thought the Kolpak ruling had nothing to do with Naiyaravoro's international rugby eligibility (which should be Australia at the end of the weekend) and everything to do with his country of citizenship which is Fiji.
I wonder how many of the Wallabies don't have Australian passports? It's definitely quite a few of them.
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