• Welcome to the forums of Green & Gold Rugby.
    We have recently made some changes to the amount of discussions boards on the forum.
    Over the coming months we will continue to make more changes to make the forum more user friendly for all to use.
    Thanks, Admin.

Waratahs 2016

Status
Not open for further replies.
RugbyReg

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
I like to watch said:
As a rule, no.
But some definitely add value.
I can easily name 1/2 dozen players that were only solid Shute Shield standard,earning good money in Europe on the back of their agents work.
Click to expand...


son good for the players, not the sport. A one way relationship
 
Joeleee

Joeleee

Ted Fahey (11)
RugbyReg said:
son good for the players, not the sport. A one way relationship
Click to expand...


I think that's a pretty big call to say that they're bad for the sport. They facilitate all sorts of deals that ensure players can be spotted and try to improve their exposure to increase value. Not to mention they mean that players can concentrate on their game rather than negotiating their next deal.
 
T

Train Without a Station

Guest
They deliver outcomes for their stakeholders. Plain and simple. It's not unethical that they look after their clients and to do anything otherwise and collect a commission would be unethical.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
players agents apparently get a 10% commission for their player to sign in Europe and only a 5% for Australia..

Players agents would be looking out for themselves when pushing the Europe option, bigger wages as well as a bigger slice of said wages means there is massive incentives for a players agent to push a 'Europe' contract for their client.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
T

Train Without a Station

Guest
Yes but an Australian based player would have an Australian based agent. When he relocated to Europe he would likely link with a European agent when they negotiate their next deal.

5% of 12 years contracts is a lot more than 10% of a single contract.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
Train Without a Station said:
Yes but an Australian based player would have an Australian based agent.
Click to expand...


Not necessarily, many of Australia's biggest sports management firms have offices in London. Ross Xenos raised this issue, players agents will be more inclined to lean towards Europe where wages on offer are greater and commission's larger.
 
T

Train Without a Station

Guest
I think that's a bit of a furphy. Most euro deals are lined up between an Aus based agent and euro based one and they likely split the commission. At least in the past they have been.
 
Nusadan

Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
T

TOCC

Guest
Train Without a Station said:
I think that's a bit of a furphy. Most euro deals are lined up between an Aus based agent and euro based one and they likely split the commission. At least in the past they have been.
Click to expand...

It's no furphy, IMG, SEL and Newstart Sport to name a few have a mix of European, Australian and even Japanese offices for this exact purpose.
Some managers without an international network might use European based agencies, but there are a large number who these days have international networks for that very purpose.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
T

Train Without a Station

Guest
TOCC said:
It's no furphy, IMG, SEL and Newstart Sport to name a few have a mix of European, Australian and even Japanese offices for this exact purpose.
Some managers without an international network might use European based agencies, but there are a large number who these days have international networks for that very purpose.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

TOCC this is the RUPA accredited list:

http://c1940652.r52.cf0.rackcdn.com/5599edb6ff2a7c1d00000502/Accredited-Agents-List---July-2015.pdf

There's only 2 people from IMG on there. Doesn't appear to be any from SEL and Newstart.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
Train Without a Station said:
TOCC this is the RUPA accredited list:

http://c1940652.r52.cf0.rackcdn.com/5599edb6ff2a7c1d00000502/Accredited-Agents-List---July-2015.pdf

There's only 2 people from IMG on there. Doesn't appear to be any from SEL and Newstart.
Click to expand...

It's Newstar* and the Piccone brothers are on that list, Newstar are on of the major sports management firms in Australian Rugby. That list is a little arbitrary as there are plenty of players who have representation through non accredited managers like Khode Nasser, an accredited agent is only necessary to finalises the contract which can be done through negotiated set fees rather then commissions.

Anyway this is digressing way off topic... . Perhaps some players do switch to European based managers, but there are plenty who don't, and that's why the agencies have branches in Europe and Japan.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Hawko

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Nusadan said:
Cam Blades signed on for next year:

http://www.rugbynews.net.au/cam-blades-named-waratahs-assistant-coach/
Click to expand...

His last two coaching gigs were the Sydney Stars - wooden spooners and looked awful - and the forwards coach for the U-20's. Their forwards got smashed by the big boys and did not look well coached at all.

That is not a good look, we should have gone for someone with a proven history of success.

qwerty51 said:
Outstanding.
Click to expand...

I trust there is a measure of irony in this comment.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top